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my mother was uneducated and so we moved every 2-4 years as she tried to find stable enough work to support a child so ive attended many kingdom halls and have known many witnesses and many elders.

i've never gone back to the witness organization and never will.

JamesWind: >>>"No one would be disfellowshiped for a blood transfusion. The primary ingredient required in all disfellowships is a lack of remorse or extreme severity. Blood transfusion does not fall into the extreme severity category (in terms of breaking the rule) and simply acknowledging that you were scared and gave in to a transfusion would qualify you as remorseful".

I am one who HATES the organization and for as long as it exists, that hate will continue.

Accepting a blood transfusion is NOT A CONSCIENCE decsion if one has to REPENT for making a conscience decsion to accept a blood transfusion. If a JW accepts a blood transfusion, FIRST OF ALL they will be called up to meet with those who hold the title of elders in their congregation. And states," no, I was not scared and am not remorseful, then he or she WILL BE DISFELLOWHIOPPED. Is it normal to have to proove to elders that one is repentent for something there conscience tell them is not a sin and therefore does not need to be repented for? So quit trying to lie here. Most of have been there and NO that you can play with words all you want to, but it doesn't change teh FACTS. Nor does it change the FACT of what the organization is.

I won't even bother to read your excuses in the rest of this thread. For I can see what you are doing already. And no matter what you say to yourself, you are obviously NOT out of the org, mentally. And it shows.

peace,

somebody

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How long did you blame yourself before you realised.......

by jambon1 in

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.....that it simply wasn't the truth?.

i never really felt spiritual as a jw.

i knew that i should feel like a spiritual person, but couldn't work out why i never did.. .

somebody

Left alone, people will come to know that their spirituality comes from inside, not a works related religion

SO TRUE!!!! How is a JW supposed to even know they are a spiritual being when they feel like a pharisee when they "feel" what the "the Society" instructs them to feel and act how "the Society" instructed them to act? It really is an ACT!

As you said and I agree 100%. Left alone, people will know what spirituality is and where it comes from. And they no longer have to hide empathy either!

peace,

somebody/gwen

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Some kind of nervous breakdown?

by freedomfighter in

hi guys and gals.

i have been disfellowshipped for 2 months now and i feel so alone.i took the red pill and reality has hit me smack in the mouth.

i go through all types of emotions - stronger than i've ever felt before e.g anger,sadness,elation,freedom,feeling super strong,feeling super weak etc.

somebody

(((((((freedomfighter)))))

I don't know what the little red pill is. But it sounds to me like an anxiety attack. Trying to cope with reality can cause that and it can last for a long time, some days worse than others. You are thinking and asking yourself questions and JWs are trained to turn off those thoughts and questions immediately when they enter the mind, by other thoughts such as " What? You think you know more than the Society? You are dounbting? Satan is trying to steer you away from God's organization!!! Don't let him!!!"

What you are experienceing is normal for those being involved in the JW sect, for both who have left on their own accord, and who have been df'd from and by those who are members of the JW organization/sect/group.

If you go to a doctor, and be totaly honest as you have been here about what you are feeling and what's going through your mind, he or she can give you better advice than I can. I know it's very hard to be honest to another person standing right in front of you, becasue we've been taught to think such thoughts is a sign of weakness, but the fact is is that it takes STRENGTH to do such a thing.

I personally think it's an anxiety attack. If you should happen to feel as if you are struggling to breath or that you may pass out, then FOR SURE it is anxiety/panic. And that CAN be helped and treated. Even for those who do not wish to take meds, there is still treatment and help.

I would not worry to much, because your thoughts, and all the feelings changing back and forth from frustration, anger, sadness, and even fear, are completely normal with the thougths and questions you've been asking yourself. It just shows that you are slowly but surely facing reality, rather than living in a fantasy land. And it gets easier as time passes, from my experience.

I'll keep you in my thougths!!!

peace,

gwen

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Seattle radio discusses JW blood policy deaths

by Nathan Natas in

this week a 14 year old jw named dennis lindberg died because he refused blood transfusions which were part of his treatment for leukemia.. this has garnered some unwanted attention on jws from the seattle news media.. there are two of these programs available for download:.

kvi radio thursday, 11/29/07 - http://www.badongo.com/file/5384064.

kiro radio friday, 11/30/07 - http://www.badongo.com/file/5384118.

somebody

Nathan Natas,

Thanks again. I just listened to Fridays and I'm SO upset I can't even think straight right now.

Before I head to bed and for now, I will say this. If a JW who is 14 years old sets a bulding on fire, I'd be willing to bet that his JW gardian or parents whould say " well, he's ONLY A 14 YEAR OLD CHILD! He's immature!

One other thing is that it would be nice if JWs would state which is true....accepting a blood transufusion is against thier faith, or that accepting a blood transfusion is not going against ther faith, but is a conscience decision. Seems the JWs who phoned in are not in "unity" as JWs calim to be.

Either way, I don't think the judge made the right decision in letting a 14 year old child make that life or death decsion for himself. Had he truly been raised that accepting a blood transfusion is a conscience decision, he probably would have treated that as he had other "conscience decsions" the GB allow it's adherents/JWs to make. He would have not treated accepting a blood transfusion as a sin in which he would have needed to prove to those who hold the title of elder in his congregation that he was repentent for.

I'm tired and realize I'm getting carried away, so I'll say goodnight and see what others here have to say. It's a SAD situation! I hope that aunt can someday forgive herself for teaching the teachings of the GB to her nephew.

peace and goodnight,

somebody/gwen

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Seattle radio discusses JW blood policy deaths

by Nathan Natas in

this week a 14 year old jw named dennis lindberg died because he refused blood transfusions which were part of his treatment for leukemia.. this has garnered some unwanted attention on jws from the seattle news media.. there are two of these programs available for download:.

kvi radio thursday, 11/29/07 - http://www.badongo.com/file/5384064.

kiro radio friday, 11/30/07 - http://www.badongo.com/file/5384118.

somebody

Thank you, Nathan Natas!

I only listened to Thursdays so far. It is SO sad that this 14 year old chose to die. Fot what reasons I would say that nobody knows, IF he were not a JW and living with JW gardians for the past 2 years.

Being an active member INSIDE the JW sect for 10 years leads me to believe that. There are three things that stood out in my mind when listening, so I'm going to say them now, while they are fresh in my mind.

#1 is that JWs who make a conscience decision to accept a blood tranfusion have to REPENT for making that "conscience decision". If they do not REPENT FOR THAT "SIN"( i.e. accepting the blood tranfusion), then they WILL BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED. On what grounds? On the grounds of being an UNREPENTENT SINNER. So much for being free to make decisions according to ones conscience!

#2 is that the public do not know that JWs are taught that if one dies before the "new world gets here"/before armageddon arrives, they are automattically forgiven for thier sins. DEATH FORGIVES SINS is what JWs are taught. And if anyone remebers being 14 years old, then we remember plenty of "sins of the mind", even if not acted out. And hpw many of us who were JWs at that age GUILTY with a captal G of the "secret sin" ? !!! We were defitely guilt ridden for being human beings because we didn't know that we were NATURAL human beings with NATURAL thougths.

getting carried away so moving on....

#3 is that a JW who called said that there are TWO FLOCKS. Did anyone else catch that JW speaking that one truth about what JWs are taught?

I, when I was a JW, nor any other JW back then would ever say those words (even though we were taught that by our human leaders), to the public/everyone outside of the JW sect!

gonna listen to Friday's now, and thank you SO MUCH once again!

peace,

gwen

185

Why Men Cannot Love

by freydi in

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so let's say we do everything that's expected.

what's the payoff?

somebody

I'm so very thankful that I have a MAN who not only CAN love, but who DOES.

Filling expectations or expecting "payoffs" if he does, no more enters his mind than not filling expectations and getting no "payoff" does.

He's the walking talking true definition of a MAN, and I love him.

Always have, always will.

So perhaps you should have named your topic "Why SOME men cannot love", because THE FACT is that MEN CAN LOVE.

There are even MEN WHO CAN LOVE WITHOUT EXPECTING PAYOFFS in ANY FORM. And there are SOME MEN who cannot love, period.

peace,

gwen

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Why Men Cannot Love

by freydi in

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so let's say we do everything that's expected.

what's the payoff?

somebody

LOL @ erynw!

peace,

somebody/gwen

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Secret Santa Ideas thread

by Angharad in

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if everyone who is signed up for the sectret santa can post a few ideas of the sort of thing you like in here, when people receive their names they can come in here and look you up so get some ideas .

.

somebody

This is SO much fun! I did my shopping today and absolutely LOVED looking for things I think the person I'm giving to would like. I'm going to send mine out this week.

I tried to get some fun things along with some sentimal items. Things that one can take out every year and remember this year, 2008. Some times adults love thigns they remember having when they we young too! If you have any dollar stores in your neighborhoods, you'll be amazed what you find there for a decent price and things that bring back memories you yourself have of times past ( crazes and fads of the times), that you know the person you are giving to had if he or she is in the same age bracket you are.

I enjoyed shopping today more than I ever remember enjoying shopping, seeing as how I hate shopping ( unless it's a cooking gadget store or grocery store, because I love cooking). Odd for a female I know, but it's the truth!

Just wanted to share with all of you, maybe give some ideas while at the same time, bring this back to the top for those who may not know this thread is here.

Secret Santa is wonderful also for those of us who the "empty nest syndrome" rears it's head every year at this time, making it a somewhat sad time of year. Yeah...I'm one ot those!

peace to you all, my friends...

somebody/gwen...and zev/harold

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Secret Santa Ideas thread

by Angharad in

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if everyone who is signed up for the sectret santa can post a few ideas of the sort of thing you like in here, when people receive their names they can come in here and look you up so get some ideas .

.

somebody

What a great idea! I was at a loss on what to get for a special someone!

I like reading books, especailly true crime and crime scene investigations. There are two of Ann Rule's books that i haven't read yet ( I have no problem reading books that have been used or read by someone else either, so second hand is fine! ) The two titles of the books are "No Regrets" and " Smoke, Mirrors, and Murder". Any ONE would be great!

I love candles and potpouri also.

Hope this helps!!!

peace to all,

gwen/somebody