i've been watching the new dvd and it is a bull fest about russell.
i haven't even gotten half way and they already excluded one very important bit of information.
you'll recall that russell "lost" his faith and "turning away from church creeds and searching for truth, russell examined some leading oriental religions, only to find these unsatisfying".
somebody/gwen <<-------------------waving her hand furiously. ( Like one of those smart kids in elementry school who sit in the front row and raise their hand so hard that their ass is up off their chair.....for EVERY question the teacher asks!
Can anyone PM me too please? ............ Pretty please?
peace,
somebody/gwen
started a new topic b/c i didn't want to threadjack another ongoing pointless debate.
:) (isn't it interesting how the apologists all come out around dc time?).
i have seen that statement made over and over again by jws about disfellowshipping.
I will give you one example of what is wrong with others who make that statement.
Supposing the WTS INC/GB decided that the trinity is now going to be a teaching. How many JWs would object? Did they ALL know that when they got baptised that they have to accept as truth and "adjust their thinking" so as to agree with EVERY TEACHING IN ANY GIVEN YEAR that the GB teaches or else have this scripture applied to THEM?
2 John1010 If anyone comes to YOU and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into YOUR homes or say a greeting to him.
The answer is NO.
But the FACT is that any JW would HAVE to accept ANY teaching from the GB.
When a JW gets baptized, they don't realize that they may have gotten baptized because they believed AT THE TIME, that the teachings of the GB were "the truth". Along with that, they belived that truth does not change.
JWs DO NOT KNOW that they HAVE to believe every teaching form the GB is the truth NO MATTER WHAT THE TEACHING IS AT ANY GIVEN TIME, when they get baptized.
And the WTS INC, should make that CRYSTAL CLEAR to it's potential adherents/followers BEFORE THEY GET BAPTIZED IN ASSOCATION WITH IT"S ORGANIZATION.
Of course, they wouldn't do such a thing. Because then the organization would have NO CONTROL over it members.
And members = $$$$$$$$$$$
peace,
somebody
does anyone else have the same problem.
when i'm alone, i am constantly thinking about all the clever things i'm going to say if visited by the elders, but when i actually get confronted, these things never come to mind, and i keep spitting out drivel like some dumb idiot.
after they leave, i rethink the conversation, and i'm furious over all the oppotunities i've missed to put them in their place.......damn it!!!!!
It's the intimidation mixed probably with ( my guess only) ,a little bit of shyness.
My suggestion is take a few days or more ( whatever time you need) and respond to what you remember them saying in a letter. The next time they visit, tell them you are VERY busy but took the time to write them though, with your thoughts on what they said.
peace,
somebody
food was passed from one side and if you were #10 you may not get too much to eat!
when i finally did, she was not at all interested.
but i was lucky it didnt work out, for she never would have left the watchtower.
I thank you also, Randy, for sharing with us.
I wish this could be made into a movie, your biography, in helping others. Not only becuase it would help probably THOUSANDS, but also in memory of Ray Franz, Dansk, and may others.
At least I pray that you'll publish a book someday!
I'm SO looking foreward to reading part 2, as others here are.
And I'm sure that lurkers who are still "in" are too.
Peace to you,
somebody/gwen
just setting the record straight.
there is another thread that notes a claim on wiki that said that ray has died.. he had a stroke yesterday, and is in the hospital.
he is still alive.
Thank you once again coffee_black.
I respect Cynthia's wishes and I still continue my deepest heartfelt prayers for her personally.
I do understand that she will be even more overwhelmed than she already is,by phone calls.
peace and love,
somebody/gwen
Peace to you Cynthia at this extremly hard time!
hello all, i came across this forum after trying to find an old childhood friend of mine but had no luck.
i have lived in rhode island my whole life and i'm not a jehovah's witness myself but he is/was years ago.
i remember being about 11 years old and wondering why he couldn't come over my house and didn't understand it then!
Hey fellow Rhode Islander! :-)
You can always try typing his name in on facebook too. I've always lived in RI also, but don't recognize the name at all.
Sorry bout that.
peace,
somebody/gwen
facebook comments of my wife and friends are making me sick ... literally.. "great reminders" "loved it" "just what we needed" "love the way jehovah works" "very encouraging" "get better every year" "best convention ever" "what a boost".
what did i miss?
have i become a wicked fault-finding apostate blind to the encouragement?.
Hi wannabefree,
First of all, let me give this hug, seeing as how it not during a prayer
(((((((((((((((wannabefree))))))))))))
You have to stop attending conventions and meetings because now that you know the WT is nothing but hogwash and a cult and that it's followers MUST believe that the WT is not hogwash or a cult, but truth.
I know others who tried to keep quiet and their own physical and mental condition sunk lower and lower. The ONLY time they stated to get better is when they stopped attending meetings and WT conventions.
I don't know if your wife knows how you feel, as I haven't read your background yet. If you don't think your wife can handle the truth about HOW the WT comes up with and passes changes it's teachings or anything else you know about the WT, just tell her you are taking a break from all meetings to have time to think. Don't tell her any negative things yet, and that'll give you time to plan on a way that'll make her think and open her eyes.
Whatever you decide, I would think about your own well-being first. Because you cannot keep on the way you are. It is not good for your health and I mean that!
I wish you the best and stay strong!
In time, maybe you can ask on your wife's facebook page or your own, that JWs explain in their own words what the "gereration" is and then list all the evidence that backs their explanation. Who knows what answers you'll get!
peace,
somebody/gwen
just setting the record straight.
there is another thread that notes a claim on wiki that said that ray has died.. he had a stroke yesterday, and is in the hospital.
he is still alive.
Our thoughts and prayers go out to Ray and Cynthia.
Thank you so much for the updates, coffee_black!
peace,
somebody/gwen and zev/harold
i've been out 15 yrs and never attended again.
anyone been out a long time and for whatever reason went to a meeting or convention?
what was it like to you then?
Hi Think About It,
I left in late 1979, and attended a two part ( two Thursday nights) meeting in 2002 to tape the instruction from the WTS to it's followers on how to treat Disfellowhipped and Da'd Relatives.
I didn't go to the same KH I had left, for it's now a church for a different religion. I went to a KH in North Attleboro MASS.
It felt really good to go to the kingdom hall dressed in jeans and a flannel shirt! :-)
It was absolutly sickening and one of the the "brothers" who stand in the doorway to greet you actually acted embarassed that we were there, as "potential converts", for a meeting discussing to never even speak a greeting to family members are df'd or da'd. Included was how to treat disfellowhipped CHILDREN.
When the meeting ended and we were trying to rush out the door, he told us that we should come back on a Sunday when they have the "good good talks"! Those were his exact words!
Other than that, the examples that were "acted out" on the stage were the SAME as they were in 1979. A "sister" was up on the stage as a JW at the door step of a householder and talked about inflation and how bad the world is "today" and went on to offer a Watchtower.
One little boy kept STARING at us, for we must have looked like aliens to him because we were wearing jeans, ( I attended with zev, BTW). His mom had to keep telling him to turn around and face the stage.
peace,
somebody/gwen
for those who haven't seen the video yet on youtube of ciro's ( a bethel speaker?
) sick talk given in, i believe, 2007, i provide the link:.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwa9kx5wjtm.
Hi Thetrueone,
The talk is REAL, the video to go along with it was made to go WITH the talk. That was a real talk by Ciro A in 2007. His talks always seem to "spill his mental illness" but JWs attending his talks just don't see anything wrong with it!
Here is another talk by him back in 2001, so you can here his voice (no video though).
http://www.randytv.com/whatfutureholds.htm
I find BOTH talks very disturbing. Anyone can tell he is mentally ill. WHY the Watchtower allows him to share such sick garbage is beyond me. I can only imagine the nightmares people AND children have suffered from listening to such sick filth.
peace,
somebody/gwen
