letter sent today to the ministry of justice... .
spain bethel sent a letter recently last oct 3 interpreting that no elder or sm should request a certificate of sexual offenses as other churches or persons in contact with kids.
again jw.org interprets the law to their behalf.. a group of elders in madrid has sent this letter to ask clarification !!.
LIARS!
*** km 11/02 p. 8 par. 5 Show Loving Interest in “Fatherless Boys” ***
5 Likewise today, how beneficial it is when spiritually mature brothers and sisters take a loving interest in the fatherless boys and girls in the congregation! Do you know each one by name? Do you talk with them at Christian meetings and on other occasions? Invite them to join you in the field ministry
update on mouthy (grace gough)this is graces granddaughter.
i wanted to send an update that today my beautiful grandmother passed away - surrounded by friends and family.
- may 22 1927 - sept 2nd 2016. mouthys_granddaughter.
at the meeting last night, at the annoucments at end of meeting they said make sure u take your ped card.
i said to myself what is a ped card?
blood cards are back.
dugout, the WTS was also wrong about organ transplants and "blood fraction transfusions " too. I wouldn't play around with that either and I certainly WOULD NOT SACRIFICE my child's life if a blood transfusion was all that was needed to save their life, when they were children. Now they are adults and both are in the medical know.
And I can tell you right now, that if I hadn't received TWO blood transfusions during my life, I would NOT be here right now typing this! :-)
peace,
somebody
P.S. I'd like to see a copy of the card now too if anyone can provide it here! It would be much appreciated by many of us!
after exiting the org, i mean cult, how have each of you felt personally about the lies you had been taught, the hurt from feeling betrayed by these people, actual hopes of once believed false teachings, rose colored lenses of seemingly just and right doctrines that turned out to be a bunch of horse $#!+, the shunning of family and friends?
right now i am going through the motions, i've just moved to a new home, which means hopefully no more elders searching for me at my previous address.. i can't help but feel sad though right now because of the fact that although i am not df'd ( maybe the elders will do it in absentia assuming i've been avoiding them and the 2 jc's they've invited me to as well as the last handwritten letter at my door before i moved ) my mom treats me as though i am dead to her, she says " i am living the life of a disfellowshipped person, and until i come back to jehovah this is how things will be because this was my choice to leave jehovah " ok i get it, but i don't- everyone has free will, so yes this was my choice but it is also her choice to shun me, especially after the "shun unrepentant wrongdoers" talk at the rc, funny how they come out with these talks to reel members back in.. she claims that she has an obligation to jehovah of which she promised to him after she was baptized not at 11, 13, or 17 ( young ages ) but fricken 26 years old.
i absolutely hate this organization and everything that it is, it's taken away my family and most importantly my own mother.. i always thought that a mothers love was to be unconditional, but hers for me is only conditional.
This whole thread makes me sad. I'm happy that others can share their pain here, but this is why it makes me SO MAD when JWs say things such as " anyone is FREE to leave the organization" AND the JW.org site claims that JWs " DO NOT SHUN those who leave the organization". It is ALL lies! People who just choose to leave and state that they choose to leave ARE SHUNNED AND TREATED AS IF THEY ARE UNREPENTANT SINNERS. THEY ARE TREATED THE SAME AS IF THEY ARE A DISFELLOWSHIPED JW !
My heart goes out to Raven and all of you who have been tossed out of your families and your loved ones. For real.
i was an elder in the 1970's and i was not a big fan of the "stay alive until 75" dogma.
i was looked down upon by the heavy hitters on the body of elders and in time i changed my mind.
i knew of the failed prophecy of 1914 being the end of all times which was repeated for the year 1925...yet i came to believe well maybe this time they've got it right.. with every new watchtower, i combed over every word to find support for my change in my belief that the end was coming in fall of 1975. at the district assembly in 1975, everyone clung onto every word in the final talk.
It's SO frustrating to say the least, Sour Grapes! I understand what you are going through. Nice name, as Sour Grapes in VERY understandable. Some people will never admit that their are legitimate reasons for becoming sour. Being deceived and lied to by people who taught you to trust them and be loyal to them is just two reasons!
peace,
somebody
you know how when your asked to talk about something your not interested in how annoying it is, or difficult to debate something from the opposite side of your view.
after learning ttatt i've come to regard the nonsense the org spouts as quite evil then to have to give parts about how great it is makes me hate it that much more.. story aside, what might you say to the elders to get them to dismiss it or get off your back if you told them your heart's not in it any more?.
not the obvious it's a stupid hypocritical cult that needs to be wiped from the face of the earth..
If you look back a little for SAHS post, he or she said what is below. That person said much more but I would just say, " I dedicated my life to GOD, and not to any human, any group of humans, any work, or any organization when I got baptized". And I prefer to and WILL keep it that way. And then just tell anyone questioning you that you don't wish to discuss it any further. And I would say that whether you still believe in God or not. It'll give you time to yourself to search online or /and your heart and come to a conclusion either way.
There is a fundamental lie which I couldn’t help noticing today in the Our Christian Life and Ministry—Meeting Workbook for August 1-7, 2016. It is in the little supplemental page considered this week under the title “Improving Our Skills in the Ministry—Helping Bible Students to Progress to Dedication and Baptism,” in the first paragraph (labelled “WHY IMPORTANT”), third sentence. Here is that sentence:
“A Christian’s dedication is to Jehovah—not to a human, a work, or an organization.”
· for what reasons does jesus have the formerly demonized man tell others about what jesus did?.
but jesus tells the man: “go home to your relatives, and report to them all the things jehovah has done for you and the mercy he has shown you.”—mark 5:19.. .
(mark 5:18-20) .
RubaDub ( ha ha ha! That's a funny name! ), NAH. It was just me trying to figure out how to scan and then find what I scanned and then learn how to post it. It took me hours to find my KIT, and then more hours to figure out the rest! If I had won something big in Las Vegas, I probably would have posted more than 3 times in a row. :-)
peace,
somebody
· for what reasons does jesus have the formerly demonized man tell others about what jesus did?.
but jesus tells the man: “go home to your relatives, and report to them all the things jehovah has done for you and the mercy he has shown you.”—mark 5:19.. .
(mark 5:18-20) .
· for what reasons does jesus have the formerly demonized man tell others about what jesus did?.
but jesus tells the man: “go home to your relatives, and report to them all the things jehovah has done for you and the mercy he has shown you.”—mark 5:19.. .
(mark 5:18-20) .
· for what reasons does jesus have the formerly demonized man tell others about what jesus did?.
but jesus tells the man: “go home to your relatives, and report to them all the things jehovah has done for you and the mercy he has shown you.”—mark 5:19.. .
(mark 5:18-20) .
Not sure if I know how to insert what I scanned from my, "The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures but I'm going to try."
