The Washington Times
Bush says churches in white suburbs obligated to blacks
Bill Sammon
Published February 11, 2003
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President Bush yesterday told a national gathering of religious broadcasters in Nashville, Tenn., that white suburban churches have an "obligation" to help their black urban counterparts.
"It has been said that 11 a.m. on Sunday is the most segregated hour in America," Mr. Bush said. "Suburban churches are often just a short drive away from brothers and sisters who are facing great need and doing God's work.
"There is an opportunity here to end artificial divisions and join together in fellowship and service," he added. "There's also an obligation."
The remarks were the latest in a series of increasingly religious speeches by the president as he moves closer to war with Iraq, which could begin as soon as this month.
The growing emphasis on religious discourse has gone largely unchallenged by Democrats and the press. That is a major change from a few years ago, when Mr. Bush was widely criticized for mentioning Jesus Christ as his favorite philosopher in a debate during the presidential campaign.
Although Mr. Bush is a born-again Christian who has been deeply religious for years, the president has been framing the conflict in increasingly religious terms as war with Iraq has looked increasingly imminent in recent days.
"In this hour of our country's history, we stand in the need of prayer," he said Thursday at the National Prayer Breakfast. "We pray for wisdom to know and do what is right."
Mr. Bush worked National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice into the prayer program, noting that her father was a minister. He even made a religious reference to CIA Director George J. Tenet and Air Force Gen. Richard B. Myers, Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman both of whom also participated in the breakfast.
"It is fitting that in the midst of tough times that these two leaders are sharing with Scripture and prayer with the country," the president remarked.
The religious references are aimed in part at countering anti-war messages from groups affiliated with organized religions. A coalition of such groups, known as Win Without War, recently produced a TV ad saying war against Iraq "violates God's law and the teachings of Jesus Christ."
The coalition's director, former Democratic Rep. Tom Andrews, had those words uttered by a bishop from the Methodist Church to which Mr. Bush belongs. Win Without War has also produced an ad, echoing the famous 1964 "Daisy" commercial, suggesting that the president's policy in Iraq would lead to nuclear war.
"There are many people in a variety of religions who are going to have different thoughts about how to keep the peace and whether or not to go to war with Saddam Hussein," White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said. "The president will respect their thoughts, and he will act as he sees fit as commander in chief to protect the country."
A reporter asked Mr. Fleischer how the president reconciles "his militarism with Jesus' pacifism."
"The decisions that the president makes about war and peace and about whether or not force needs to be used in Iraq are based on the president's judgments as a secular leader about what is necessary to protect this country," Mr. Fleischer said.
"The president is a deeply religious man," he added. "But these are decisions that the president will make based on intelligence reports, based on information that he is aware of on how to protect our country from potential attack."
Yet Mr. Bush has publicly made no distinction between his secular and religious sides. If anything, he presents them as one and the same.
"The comment I hear the most from our fellow citizens, regardless of their political party or philosophy, is: Mr. President, I pray for you and your family," he said at the prayer breakfast. "I turn to them without hesitation and say: It is the greatest gift you can give anybody, is to pray on their behalf.
"I especially feel that because I believe in prayer," he added. "I pray. I pray for strength. I pray for guidance. I pray for forgiveness. And I pray to offer my thanks for a kind and generous almighty God."
Copyright 2003 News World Communications, Inc. All rights reserved.
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Bush: White Churches Must Help Black Churches
by Spartacus inthe washington times.
bush says churches in white suburbs obligated to blacks.
bill sammon.
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Is there intelligent life beyond our Earth?
by Spartacus inlogic speaks for itself, consider the vastness of the universe.
each galaxy has between 50 to 100 billion stars.
stars like our sun have planets orbiting them.
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Yes I think there is a whole lot of intelligent life beyond our Earth.
Logic speaks for itself, consider the vastness of the Universe.
It's estimated that there are 120 billion galaxies in the visible universe beyond that, 200 billion galaxies an estimated total. Each Galaxy has between 50 to 100 billion stars. Stars like our Sun have planets orbiting them. Meaning that there are immensely more planets than stars and Galaxies put together.
The question is, how many planets exist in our own Milky Way Galaxy that has an estimated 100 billion stars!? Like our Earth, how many planets that are not too far or too close to their respective stars that can support life? I would bet there are many beyond our imagination!
It would be arrogant to believe that we humans are the only intelligent beings in our Galaxy and in the whole universe.
The universe is so vast. Firstly, one light year (LY) is about 6 Trillion miles, Our Milky Way Galaxy is about 100,000 LY wide. The nearest star to our Sun is Proxima Centauri, which is 4.22 light-years away. The nearest Galaxy to our Milky Way is Andromeda Galaxy which is 2 to 3 Million light years away consider that there are at least 120 billion galaxies denotes how huge the universe is, really beyond our imagination.
I would bet that there are many, alien civilizations that are millions of years old. They probably can inter-stellar travel among other advanced species that have attained the same ability.
We humans are so damn ignorant about our galaxy, the universe and ourselves. In comparison to some intelligent species that may have civilization for 100s of thousands of years, compared to them we are just babies.
Human civilization has existed for less than 6000 years, our modern era is only a little more than a 100 years old, we have been reading and writing for less than 5 to 4 thousand years. Im sure there are intelligent alien species somewhere in our Milky Way that have been civilized for 100 of thousands of years imagine how advanced they must be compared to us.
I say again, it is arrogant to believe that we humans are the only intelligent beings in the universe and in our galaxy. To thinks so runs blatantly against logic.
We as humans have a lot of shiyt to work out and one of the first things that has to go for us to hasten our advancement is Mysticism, which is based on a bunch of myths and lies. Are we ready for the truth? There are social and technical milestones ahead we must achieve, to survive as a human species. Hopefully, we will realize one day that our Earth exists in the wild of space and its up to us to protect it for our own sakes. Every 30 to 40 thousand years the Earth is hit by a major meteorite, one, which eliminated the dinosaurs. At this point, we can not protect ourselves from large rocks in space, which can end all intelligent life on this precious planet besides the danger that exists from each other.
What do you think?
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Mandela on Bush and Blair
by Rado Vleugel inmandela sharply criticises bush and blair on iraq stance .
january 30, 2003 .
posted to the web january 30, 2003 .
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He could at least get his facts correct! Iraq does not produce 64% of the worlds oil, it's more like 4%. 2.4 million barrels a day compared to Saudi with 8.8 million barrels a day at the end of 2001. The man is a 84 year old man who is not thinking right himself.
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The State of the Union
by Marvin Shilmer ini am an american, and so is my president.
this is an iron no speech can hold.
it can only be experienced.
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Sara, I like you :)
Thanks, liberals don't have answers just complaints!
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Bush-not sure if he's helping Joe Average American
by roybatty ini cant say that im a fan of affirmative action but bushs comments and actions against the u of m kind of burns me.
again, while i dont believe in affirmative action, i have to admit that it does help the "little guy.
" where i work there is another engineer who got a free ride through college because he received a hispanic scholarship while i spent 10 years paying back my student loans.
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Hi bigboi,
Could you show the link of that article because our Internet filter is blocking your insert out. thanks, :)
LOL, NY Times wants me to fill out a form :) I'm sure it's a great article too bad I can't read it at the moment :) I'll see it when I get home if you can see it then I will when I get to the house.
OK, I can read it now, thanks!
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Bush-not sure if he's helping Joe Average American
by roybatty ini cant say that im a fan of affirmative action but bushs comments and actions against the u of m kind of burns me.
again, while i dont believe in affirmative action, i have to admit that it does help the "little guy.
" where i work there is another engineer who got a free ride through college because he received a hispanic scholarship while i spent 10 years paying back my student loans.
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T-Hound said: "LOL, show proof of a link between Iraq and Terrorism, oh ya you can't.
Check this out:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/01/attack/printable523963.shtml
New Evidence Of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties?
WASHINGTON, Oct. 1, 2002
An Iraqi connection with the Sept. 11 attacks is far from proven, but U.S. officials say they are following several tantalizing leads, reports CBS News National Security Correspondent David Martin.
When hijacker Khalid al Midhar arrived in Malaysia in January of 2000 for a meeting of key al Qaeda operatives, he was met at the airport by an Iraqi named Ahmad Shakir, who worked part-time greeting VIPs, a job he got with the help of someone in the Iraqi Embassy.
One week later, al Midhar flew to the United States, and 18 months later he was aboard the airliner that crashed into the Pentagon. He is considered one of the most important hijackers because he was in charge of the so-called muscle the young Saudi men responsible for subduing the passengers
That is not a smoking gun linking Iraq to Sept. 11, but it is one of several clues suggesting, though not proving, a connection between al Qaeda and the government of Saddam Hussein.
Another lead: reports that chief hijacker Mohammed Atta made as many as four trips to Prague in the Czech Republic, dating from 1993 to 2001. So far U.S. intelligence only has hard evidence of one trip in 1999, when Atta was on his way to the United States.
Prague is important because it has been alleged, though again not proved, that Atta met there with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer.
The clearest link so far is that at least one senior member of al Qaeda fled to Baghdad after Sept. 11. He has since left Baghdad and there is no evidence Saddam Hussein knew about his visit, although in a police state like Iraq people don't just come and go.
No one who has seen the intelligence is prepared to make the case that Saddam had a role in the Sept. 11 attacks. But suspicious links between Iraq and al Qaeda are becoming part of the Bush administration's case for removing him from power.
Last week, President Bush's national security adviser said al Qaeda operatives had found refuge in Baghdad, and accused Saddam's regime of helping Osama bin Laden's followers develop chemical weapons.
Condoleezza Rice's statements were the strongest public charges yet alleging contacts between al Qaeda and the Iraqi government.
"There clearly are contacts between al Qaeda and Iraq that can be documented; there clearly is testimony that some of the contacts have been important contacts and that there's a relationship here," Rice said.
She said much of the information was coming from al Qaeda operatives captured since Sept. 11. This included several senior leaders whom the U.S. alleges organized terrorist attacks.
"We clearly know that there were in the past and have been contacts between senior Iraqi officials and members of al Qaeda going back for actually quite a long time," Rice said. "We know too that several of the (al Qaeda) detainees, in particular some high-ranking detainees, have said that Iraq provided some training to al Qaeda in chemical weapons development."
The widely held view has been that while Saddam and bin Laden both oppose the United States, their motivations are too different for them to work together. Saddam seeks secular power; bin Laden's drive comes from religious motivations and his opposition to the U.S. military presence in Saudi Arabia and the Arab world.
"No one is trying to make an argument at this point that Saddam Hussein somehow had operational control of what happened on Sept. 11, so we don't want to push this too far, but this is a story that is unfolding, and it is getting clearer, and we're learning more," Rice said. -
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by roybatty ini cant say that im a fan of affirmative action but bushs comments and actions against the u of m kind of burns me.
again, while i dont believe in affirmative action, i have to admit that it does help the "little guy.
" where i work there is another engineer who got a free ride through college because he received a hispanic scholarship while i spent 10 years paying back my student loans.
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Hi pettygrudger, I'm sure you are reminded of the Reagan Years of deficit spending. You asked:
"can you tell me where the money is going to come from for these credits without a large deficit?"
Each President who lowered taxes collected more tax revenues as a consequence. I think Roosevelt was the first, then Kennedy, Reagan now Bush. During the Reagan years, Congress kept spending more money than what was coming in even though it was collecting more money than it did before taxes were decreased. Budgets were getting bigger out of control spurred on by huge revenue receipts delivered by a stimulated economy because it was allowed to keep more money via tax relief. By Law Congress had to finally bring spending under control it was the first time in more than 40 plus years when they produced a balanced budget. Deficit spending has been a tradition between both Parties.
Each dollar that goes to the Fed, only 35 cents comes back to the public, do the math and there is no advantage for all citizens except the political officer who decides where that money goes who is made more powerful.
My problem with Democrats is that their mantra is "MORE POWER" "MORE GOVERNMENT" "MORE TAXATION" until they have achieved a socialist state.
My Problem with Republicans is they want to lower taxes to spur on the economy because people will have more spending money, we shop, the market pops but they "only" want do it on the government side. If it's a matter of putting more dollars in consumers pockets then why don't the PRIVATE side do it's part? We all know how greedy CEO's and heads of Businesses are, MORE of the "Profits" should be shared with the Rank and File of employees but as it is Billions of dollars in forms of stock options and bonuses go to "executives" they are unfairly pocketing virtually all the profit that everyone had a part in achieving yet paying the Rank and File whatever Salary they get. This is wrong.
Example: I work for a Mutual Fund Company and we merged with another Fund Company 4 years ago. The founder of this company got 650,000,000 bucks, executives below him got millions in bonuses a few 100 plus many got more than 50 to 5 and less. After that the rest of us 2500 Rank and File had only a million bucks to split up, that year I got 6000 dollars. I appreciated it but imagine if the executive shared 20 million instead of just 1 what difference that would make, that would have been wonderful. How much better off our economy would be if the Private Sector shared profits more fairly. I think it is immoral for one man to get 650,000,000 bucks and not share more of that with the Rank and File.
This in a nutshell is the problem with the Economy, too much money is going to only a few, they can only buy so many homes, clothes, toys and stuff. Its masses of consumers with plenty of money that makes the economy go. Something has to be done about getting these greedy executives to share the money, they are killing the golden goose.
I think there should be laws on the books that forces companies to share more profits with it's employee's. Imagine all the more money government would collect if Businesses spread the money out?
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Bush-not sure if he's helping Joe Average American
by roybatty ini cant say that im a fan of affirmative action but bushs comments and actions against the u of m kind of burns me.
again, while i dont believe in affirmative action, i have to admit that it does help the "little guy.
" where i work there is another engineer who got a free ride through college because he received a hispanic scholarship while i spent 10 years paying back my student loans.
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Witch Child I am an Independent Voter, I'm not interested in Party Affiliation but results. This country spin it's wheels for 8 years under Clinton, can you name one good thing he did while he was in office? I voted Clinton too BTW.
Witch Child said:
"We have the stupidest president I can imagine... Yale! What a joke! I absolutely LOVE his tax break for the rich... how about a break on payroll tax??? Does he want to help average Americans?"
On the Tax Relief. If the Democrats were in office you can bet your bottom dollar on tax increases for everybody. Hell, Clinton increased Social Security Taxes on the Elderly yet I heard no Liberal cry foul. So far since Bush has been in office we have seen Tax Relief for example: Look for yourself:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/reports/taxplan.html
Under the Presidents tax relief plan, the typical American family of four will be able to keep at least $1,600 more of their own money.
- Replacing the current tax rates of 15, 28, 31, 36, and 39.6 percent with a simplified rate structure of 10, 15, 25, and 33 percent (see Appendix for rate schedule);
- Doubling the child tax credit to $1,000 per child and applying the credit to the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT);
- Reducing the marriage penalty by reinstating the 10 percent deduction for two-earner couples;
- Eliminating the death tax;
- Expanding the charitable deduction to non-itemizers; and
- Making the Research and Experimentation (R&D) tax credit permanent.
This does not sound like Tax Relief for the RICH. Are we really interested in truth?
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Bush-not sure if he's helping Joe Average American
by roybatty ini cant say that im a fan of affirmative action but bushs comments and actions against the u of m kind of burns me.
again, while i dont believe in affirmative action, i have to admit that it does help the "little guy.
" where i work there is another engineer who got a free ride through college because he received a hispanic scholarship while i spent 10 years paying back my student loans.
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It was a Bush idea, sorry to disappoint you. It was he who took the Credit for it, the LT Gov was patting Bush on the Back when he made the announcement. It was a big deal in Texas because Bush struck down Affirmative Action which was big news at the time.
I live in Texas and I was pissed when he struck down Affirmative Action but I am genuinely pleased with Affirmative Access.
What can I say but the truth. Are you interested in truth?
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Bush-not sure if he's helping Joe Average American
by roybatty ini cant say that im a fan of affirmative action but bushs comments and actions against the u of m kind of burns me.
again, while i dont believe in affirmative action, i have to admit that it does help the "little guy.
" where i work there is another engineer who got a free ride through college because he received a hispanic scholarship while i spent 10 years paying back my student loans.
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When Bush was Gov.Bush of Texas he replaced Affirmative Action with Affrimative Access.
In Texas, Black, White, Hispanic, all kids who graduate in the in the top 10% qualify to all State Schools.
If a High School have a super competitive student body in academics, parents will often find another High School for their kid, the goal is to graduate in the top 10%.
A great number of High Schools in Texas have a predominately black and Hispanic student body and as a result there is a much larger pool of African\Hispanic American students who can attend the Big Universities in Texas. As a Black parent we do not worry so much about our kids accessing Universities in Texas.I say that is pretty Smart, Texas was the first to do that, other states are implementing similar programs.
BTW, Al Gore's GPA is worse than Bush's, I wonder if Witch Child holds the same opinion on Gore who also pisses all over the English language, I doubt it.
