Seven,
I have to work both days this weekend and likely won't be going out. So that puts a damper in my plans. However watch out for next weekend!
spectromize
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Question for Women.
by spectromize inwhy is it so hard to read what a woman is really thinking?
and what are the no no's when trying to ask a woman for a date and how do you know a woman is interested in you?.
i would really appreciate help, seems i lack in the right touch, tonight i was just told off by a cute lady, i honestly didn't recognized her and made the mistake of telling her so.
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Can I come play?
by Tishie ini'm a bit stressed out of late, and i noticed some on my friends here, so do you mind if i distract myself by talking with you fine people?.
tishie.
"it is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!
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spectromize
Tishie,
Will that be red wine or white?
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spectromize
Path,
I just hope it doesn't turn out to be another "Fatal Attraction", I agree with Seven on that one don't drag it out it's better now then just being annoyed by something you know will never happen.
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Disfellowshipping, again
by somebody ini'm trying to gather every scripture used to imply that the practice of disfellowshipping among christians is scriptual.
please notice that i did not say "to imply that the "idea" is scriptual, but the "practice".
any input would be of help.
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spectromize
Frenchy,
I mean if he wanted to go inside a private house or place of worship where there is a meeting of spiritual things he would not be allowed. Outside those activities for example if his family wanted to have him over or if anyone else wanted to talk to him or associate there would be no shunning.
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Gifts- bribery or an act of love
by Kismet inoften i hear about guys who are in the proverbial doghouse with their girlfriend and/or spouse (though both at the same time is very messy and not recommended- lol).
9 of 10 times the discussion then revolves around how to get out of the doghouse.
flowers, candies, sparkling trinkets, trips etc are thrown out as the "accepted" way to gain forgiveness.
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spectromize
I'll drink to the budweiser and flower thing.
I think it's fairly accurate. I certainly would forgive very fast if I saw that case of 2-4 after an argument! I certainly would never consider it a bribe. -
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Disfellowshipping, again
by somebody ini'm trying to gather every scripture used to imply that the practice of disfellowshipping among christians is scriptual.
please notice that i did not say "to imply that the "idea" is scriptual, but the "practice".
any input would be of help.
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spectromize
Frenchy,
There would be no shunning like the wt org. teaches, you would still be able to talk to him on the street or his relatives would still be able to talk to him and so on.
If at the end of 30 days no change takes place and he wants to laugh in Jehovah's face doing as he pleases since he knows what Jehovah's law teaches on adultery and since he would persist in his wicked course and cause pain to his wife, children and relatives,friends, yes he would be stopped from associating with the rest of the group to take part in spiritual things.
However you must remember that this individual knows Jehovah's law and blatantly rejects it, there is a diffrence from someone newly associated who doesn't know his left hand from his right.
It is up to each individual outside the cong. to determine their own course to follow and what kind of association they will have with him without the interference of those taking the lead. But as the scriptures warn one about bad associations spoil useful habits.
I don't like to use the word shunning or disfellowshipped since it's been such an abuse process within the org. I don't believe anyone should be labelled with those titles since it is in the heart of an individual to change if he really tries and wants to so we wouldn't want to make it more difficult for them.
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Disfellowshipping, again
by somebody ini'm trying to gather every scripture used to imply that the practice of disfellowshipping among christians is scriptual.
please notice that i did not say "to imply that the "idea" is scriptual, but the "practice".
any input would be of help.
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spectromize
Frenchy,
The 30 days I'm talking about means complete removal from the group or cong. The person would be informed that at the end of those days, he would be able to come and associate if he wanted to if he changed his course and in the mean time he would be strongly counseled to get professional help for his drinking and professional help as far as marriage counseling is concerned.
The principle I take is from 1st corinthians chapter 5. There is the example of the corinthian man who had the wife of his father and the counsel Paul gave to the corinthian cong.
Verse 2 of that chapter reads:" And are you puffed up, and did you not rather mourn, in order that the man that committed this deed should be taken away from your midts?"
Verse 11-13 reads:"But now I am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard, not even eating with such a man. For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? "Remove the wicked man from among yourselves."
You have to remember that persistent wrongdoers usually like to hang around with the same company. What's wrong with the wt org. arrangements is that it encourages the wrongdoer to stay in the midts of the cong. due to the fact that if they try to leave they will be labelled for good and shunned for good from their family. So what you have is the situation of a wrongdoer who would just love not to be associated in the midts of the cong. but does it anyway by just giving lip service to his worship.
I have known individuals in the wt org. who simply worked on their reinstatement just so the family ties would be there and once reinstated never saw them set foot in the kingdom hall again.
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Question for Women.
by spectromize inwhy is it so hard to read what a woman is really thinking?
and what are the no no's when trying to ask a woman for a date and how do you know a woman is interested in you?.
i would really appreciate help, seems i lack in the right touch, tonight i was just told off by a cute lady, i honestly didn't recognized her and made the mistake of telling her so.
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spectromize
Thanks for the advice, I will seriously study it. I need it at times.
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Disfellowshipping, again
by somebody ini'm trying to gather every scripture used to imply that the practice of disfellowshipping among christians is scriptual.
please notice that i did not say "to imply that the "idea" is scriptual, but the "practice".
any input would be of help.
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spectromize
Frenchy,
OK so here we are. The brother finally does not deny it, that is the supposed affair with the other woman.
Solution #1
One responsible person taking the lead should speak to him privately and ask him if he sees anything wrong with what he is doing. I mention only one person to talk for the simple fact that it's less intimadating for someone to talk and open up than having three or two.
Depending on the answer you get from this individual and at this time we will assume that he answers he doesn't see anything wrong then the next step would be to ask him in all sincerity and truth if he has ever been treated for an emotional illness or clinical depression or a disease of the mind. Of course those are all personal questions and can hurt an individual so the wise course for a shepperd to shepperd his flock is to have gotten close to individuals in the group so that a shepperd is well acquainted with Jehovah's sheep and their strength and weaknesses.
Now at this point let us assume that this brother says no to the questions and answers truthfully.
The next step would be to help him see by giving him specific examples of the course he is on, to show him how very destructive it is and those closest to him.
If he doesn't want any help and his mind is made up to see this woman then nothing is going to change it for the present. You have to remember that Jehovah God has given the moral laws and there are consequenses for breaking then just as there are for breaking the physical ones. When gravity hits you in between the two eyes only time tells whether the impact leaves you standing.
The thirty days off would be suggested to this individual to take a break away from the cong. and the group and to take time to clear his head. They would not be labelled and no announcement would be made but the family and all those involved close to him would be talked to and notified.
In a case like this individuals usually self destruct, I've seen it happen in one cong. that I was in, the brother who happenned to be an elder didn't want to let go of his affair. He lost his eldership, was disfellowshipped, lost huge amounts of money from his successful business due to the wife and mistress fighting for control, lost his whole family except for his wife who was willing to forgive him if he would let go of his affair and finally the stress got to much for him he died a short time later in his early fifties. All of this took place within a year. I went to the funeral and it was a real crying shame to lose such an intelligent gifted man.
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Hello
by Angharad inhi all, thought it was about time i started posting as i have been lurking for so long.
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spectromize
Hi Angharad!
Please let us know a little about yourself.