I couldn't agree more. Even though I am a weak atheist—that is, I will not tell others that God doesn't exist—I have an extreme opinion in regards to Jehovah's Witnesses. I do not think that this organisation should be allowed to operate in any country. All Jehovah's Witness practices should be deemed illegal because they are extremely abusive and damaging. Maybe Jehovah's Witnesses are right... Maybe one day the governments will turn against them. I surely hope so.
Saename
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Jehovah's Witnesses Do Not Believe in Freedom of Religion
by xjwsrock inthis statement may seem odd at first.
you may think of jehovah's witnesses as being an american religion in a country where freedoms exist and are prized.
you may think of the organization's legal battles in the supreme court to protect certain rights and freedoms.
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Mark Sanderson wears an Apple Watch at regional convention
by Edison Trent inlast weekend was regional convention and mark sanderson was the bethel speaker for the last talks every day.
his talks were video streamed from zurich to other cities in switzerland, austria and germany.
one interesting point was that he wore an apple watch, stainless steel edition (link).
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Saename
konceptual99 - Far more hypocritical is the paying of $4000 a day to keep embarrassing documents away from the authorities. Far more hypocritical is the sale of billions of dollars worth of real estate whilst asking for ice cream money to build nice new homes in the US, UK, South Africa without doing anything for the real needs of suffering people on the ground.
I agree.
konceptual99 - Sure, another brother might have been counciled about a showy display of one's means of lige and certainly, Sanderson might have shown some discretion but, given we don't have any idea how he came into the owning the watch, the danger is that the indignation can be seen as petty point scoring by those who think all apostates do is scrape around for silly points of contention when there are some really serious issues around how the WTS goes about it's commercial operations and charitable works.
You raised a valid point. I agree that it isn't so important when compared to other issues.
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God is Real in Principle
by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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Saename
Did I tell anybody how I love this:
? This... This simple yet beautiful emoticon... It's so...Ah, I don't have words for it. It's just so lovely. I like it. It's better than a thousand words used to express the same emotion as this emoticon shows.
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aaaaaaaaagh----already
by stan livedeath inso--ive bought a house--got the keys yesterday--took a car full of stuff over to it today--i'm upstairs--heard my wife talking to someone downstairs at the doorstep.............. yep--2 dubs--handing our invites to an assembly next month.
but its in a town called bournemouth ( uk )--which means an hours car journey--plus a very expensive ferry crossing.
( i live on an offshore island ).
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Saename
Another proof that God guides the preaching work! And he wants you to repent, too!
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Morning Woship: Kenneth Flodin targets "apostates"
by Sanchy invideo is entitled "beware of deceit" he uses the letter of jude to show that current day apostates are deceitful and that they use "trickery" to and "twist facts" to try to "grab our mind".
warning: your head might explode.
especially past the 5:30 mark.
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Saename
Another follow-up here... I would have to say that, after considering all things, Flodin does lie in this video. It's true that Charles did encourage everyone to read the Bible and not take the Watchtower's word for truth. However, he also did say that the Watchtower is the Bible itself.
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Morning Woship: Kenneth Flodin targets "apostates"
by Sanchy invideo is entitled "beware of deceit" he uses the letter of jude to show that current day apostates are deceitful and that they use "trickery" to and "twist facts" to try to "grab our mind".
warning: your head might explode.
especially past the 5:30 mark.
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Saename
Just a follow-up here... The whole reference I gave above (the three paragraphs) comes from this archive. The paragraphs can be found on pages 689 and 690.
Thank God for Google!
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Morning Woship: Kenneth Flodin targets "apostates"
by Sanchy invideo is entitled "beware of deceit" he uses the letter of jude to show that current day apostates are deceitful and that they use "trickery" to and "twist facts" to try to "grab our mind".
warning: your head might explode.
especially past the 5:30 mark.
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Saename
The quote seems to be accurate. I found something extra: 1910 Watchtower.
It's from a book by Edmond C. Gruss, Jehovah's Witnesses: Their Claims, Doctrinal Changes and Prophetic Speculation. What Does the Record Show? The book seems to discuss claims made by the Watchtower such as this one, amongst many others.
After 5 minutes . . .
Yeah, I found the whole reference.
If the six volumes of SCRIPTURE STUDIES are practically the Bible topically arranged, with Bible proof-texts given, we might not improperly name the volumes-- the Bible in an arranged form. That is to say, they are not merely comments on the Bible, but they are practically the Bible itself, since there is no desire to build any doctrine or thought on any individual preference or on any individual wisdom, but to present the entire matter on the lines of the Word of God. We therefore think it safe to follow this kind of reading, this kind of instruction, this kind of Bible study
Furthermore, not only do we find that people cannot see the Divine Plan in studying the Bible by itself, but we see, also, that if anyone lays the SCRIPTURE STUDIES aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years --if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the SCRIPTURE STUDIES with their references, and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the Scriptures.
Our thought, therefore, is that these SCRIPTURE STUDIES are a great assistance, a very valuable help, in the understanding of God's Word. If these books are to be of any value to us it must be because we see in them loyalty to the Word of God, and as far as our judgment goes, see them to be in full harmony with the Word and not antagonistic to it. Therefore, in reading them the first time, and perhaps the second time, and before we would accept anything as being our own personal faith and conviction, we should say, "I will not take it because these studies say so; I wish to see what the Bible says." And so we would study the Scriptures in the light of these SCRIPTURE STUDIES; we would prove every point, or disprove it, as the case might be. We would be satisfied with nothing less than a thorough investigation of the Bible from this standpoint.
To my understanding, the message Charles gives in the above is contradictory. He says that the Watchtower is the Bible itself because if God had any further message to give to his people, he would do so through another medium—such as the Watchtower, according to Charles's implication. However, he also says that the Scripture Studies are "a very valuable help in the understanding of God's Word." I think he is implying the same thing the Watchtower does today—namely that the Watchtower gives the same message as the Bible, so, even though you are encouraged to read the Bible as well, you should go along with the Watchtower's interpretation.
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Morning Woship: Kenneth Flodin targets "apostates"
by Sanchy invideo is entitled "beware of deceit" he uses the letter of jude to show that current day apostates are deceitful and that they use "trickery" to and "twist facts" to try to "grab our mind".
warning: your head might explode.
especially past the 5:30 mark.
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Saename
Hell, they wouldn't want us to reason the New Testament historically...
Gayle - Flodin refers to a copy received by apostate source, of a WT copy about Russell's writings as "truth," and not needing the Bible. He says it was a manipulated copy done by apostates.
Do any of you have that reference that he says is a lie?
He seems to be referencing September 15, 1910, Watchtower. It says,
If the 6 volumes of 'Scripture Studies' are practically the Bible topically arranged, with Bible proof-texts given, we might not improperly name the volumes- 'The Bible' in an arranged form. That is to say, they are not merely comments on the Bible, but they are practically the Bible itself. . . . Furthermore, not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible itself, but we see also that if anyone lays the 'Scripture Studies' . . . after ha has read them for 10 years—if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone . . . our experience shows that within 2 years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he has merely read the 'S.S.' with their references, and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years.
I found that quote pretty easily. I literally just googled "1910 Watchtower," and that was one of the first results. Here is the website I found that addresses this: 1910 Watchtower. I am not sure whether it is an accurate quote because there are ellipses in it, so I do not know what is missing from the quote. Neither do I know, however, how to access Watchtowers from that long ago. Nevertheless, I'm guessing that if you googled enough you would find a photocopy of the original magazine.
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They Don't Have A Secret Elder's Book
by pale.emperor in"they don't have a secret elder's book" so said my mother.
"all of our publications are open to everyone.
we all have the same information and nothing is hidden in this religion.".
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Saename
Poztate - It is not apostate in the least
Yeah, I know. I meant it sarcastically. It's just that I forgot to put the word 'apostate' in quotation marks to imply a sarcastic, not literal, meaning of the word 'apostate.'
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They Don't Have A Secret Elder's Book
by pale.emperor in"they don't have a secret elder's book" so said my mother.
"all of our publications are open to everyone.
we all have the same information and nothing is hidden in this religion.".
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Saename
Oh, pale.emperor, you too! You guys...!
