Posts by Saename

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Pioneer afraid to meet with elders commits suicide

by poopie in

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they were afraid he would be df for something they did do instead of faceing possibility of being shunned commited suicide.

Saename

Someone you know or was it in the news?

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New Monthly Broadcast - BE LOYAL! - Shut Up and Sit Down!

by ttdtt in

the new broadcast is - predictably - about being loyal to the gb.it's a shut up and sit down message.. one of the funny things they keep bringing up is the correlation between the gb and moses.those who don't listen to the gb are like korah.. this is a false choice, why?let's look at a quick comparison.

(this is from the point of view of the bible).

was moses directly picked by god?- yeswas the gb directly picked by god?- well no, we actually are not told how the gb are picked and why the qualify.. did god talk to moses?- yesdoes god talk to the gb- no, they admit they are not in direct communication.. did god inspire moses to write laws and judge.- yesdoes god inspire the gb to write laws and judge.- no, they admit they are not inspired, and they are always wrong and need to change things all the time.. did god give the israelites undisputable proof that moses is his channel?- yes, many miracles visible to everyone one around happenddoes god give jws undisputable proof that the gb are his channel?- no, there is no proof, actually contrary.. was moses ever wrong?- nohas the gb ever been wrong?- every time.

Saename

DATA-DOG - For the most part, the Bible is chocked full of examples where the people sinned by following example of a bad leader.

Good point. I noticed that at judicial meetings, the elders often ask, "Do you still believe the Governing Body is God's only channel of communication?" When you say, "No," and then give reasons for it—such as the issue of child sexual abuse—they tell you, "Then wait for God. Don't you believe that He has control over his organisation? Don't you believe that He will correct the Governing Body one day [they mean: soon]?"

I guess they haven't read the Old Testament. According to the thinking of the Old Testament, if you accepted your leader's direction which you knew to be wrong and waited for God instead to correct the leader, you would be killed along with your bad leader. Most likely, you would still be killed even if you did not know that your leader was wrong.

By the way, isn't that a proof that the Governing Body is more interested in following them than following God? (Not that I believe in God anyway...)

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Got the personal invite to the D.C

by Phizzy in

a nice jw old boy knocked the door and asked me how i was, said they were giving out invites, i refrained from mocking him for the total waste of time such "work" is.. he mentioned that " we don't know when the end will come" , so i just said i was sure my new grandson would grow up, go to university, get a good job and his kids would do the same, by which time i shall be long gone.. "you are sure of that ?

" asked the jw, "oh yes", i replied.. i know we cannot be sure of anything, except death and taxes, but there is loads of evidence that my scenario may well play out, there is no single shred of evidence for an "end to the system" as envisaged by jw's, their weird view coming from a totally discredited source, the bible and mainly its final book, what nonsense..

Saename

steve2, I couldn't agree more.

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Got the personal invite to the D.C

by Phizzy in

a nice jw old boy knocked the door and asked me how i was, said they were giving out invites, i refrained from mocking him for the total waste of time such "work" is.. he mentioned that " we don't know when the end will come" , so i just said i was sure my new grandson would grow up, go to university, get a good job and his kids would do the same, by which time i shall be long gone.. "you are sure of that ?

" asked the jw, "oh yes", i replied.. i know we cannot be sure of anything, except death and taxes, but there is loads of evidence that my scenario may well play out, there is no single shred of evidence for an "end to the system" as envisaged by jw's, their weird view coming from a totally discredited source, the bible and mainly its final book, what nonsense..

Saename

I would love to see Donald Trump win. For one reason only though... Just to see what a parody that would be. And then I think... Maybe not. I don't want to risk the end of the world...

[If you read Fox News, the above is a new-to-you phenomenon called "sarcasm." I don't actually want to see Do[omsday]nald Trump win.]

cantleave, trust me... We all feel sorry for those young ones... They are told that any intimate relationship with a person of the opposite sex is sinful and comes from the Devil... Too bad because it's natural for young people, so they really are forced to suppress their nature...

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Gov body

by dogisgod in

i had a couple of young brothers at my door and one used the word "channel" in referring to how the gb gets inspired.

i was pretty surprised at that.

i've been "out" for a long time and i'm very out of the loop..

Saename

I don't think they use the word "channel" to refer to the Governing Body when going door-to-door. It seems to me that they are more likely to use it when they have a Bible study to "teach" someone what the Governing Body is, or when there is a private discussion between Jehovah's Witnesses who just "accidentally" "happen to" talk about how awesome the Governing Body is. Otherwise, I don't think they like to refer to the Governing Body as the "sole channel of communication between God and his people." They try really hard not to appear to others as if they had human leaders. (Have you heard a Witness justifying Russell's position in the early days of the organisation...? I have. They sound so miserable.)

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Got the personal invite to the D.C

by Phizzy in

a nice jw old boy knocked the door and asked me how i was, said they were giving out invites, i refrained from mocking him for the total waste of time such "work" is.. he mentioned that " we don't know when the end will come" , so i just said i was sure my new grandson would grow up, go to university, get a good job and his kids would do the same, by which time i shall be long gone.. "you are sure of that ?

" asked the jw, "oh yes", i replied.. i know we cannot be sure of anything, except death and taxes, but there is loads of evidence that my scenario may well play out, there is no single shred of evidence for an "end to the system" as envisaged by jw's, their weird view coming from a totally discredited source, the bible and mainly its final book, what nonsense..

Saename

Next time you should pretend you just converted to a new religion called jeehooberism and are on your way to the altar that's in your house so that you could sacrifice some vegetables (because you can't animals...) Then ask them to pray with you to Jeehoober.

Note: not Jehovah but Jeehoober.

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New Monthly Broadcast - BE LOYAL! - Shut Up and Sit Down!

by ttdtt in

the new broadcast is - predictably - about being loyal to the gb.it's a shut up and sit down message.. one of the funny things they keep bringing up is the correlation between the gb and moses.those who don't listen to the gb are like korah.. this is a false choice, why?let's look at a quick comparison.

(this is from the point of view of the bible).

was moses directly picked by god?- yeswas the gb directly picked by god?- well no, we actually are not told how the gb are picked and why the qualify.. did god talk to moses?- yesdoes god talk to the gb- no, they admit they are not in direct communication.. did god inspire moses to write laws and judge.- yesdoes god inspire the gb to write laws and judge.- no, they admit they are not inspired, and they are always wrong and need to change things all the time.. did god give the israelites undisputable proof that moses is his channel?- yes, many miracles visible to everyone one around happenddoes god give jws undisputable proof that the gb are his channel?- no, there is no proof, actually contrary.. was moses ever wrong?- nohas the gb ever been wrong?- every time.

Saename

Recently, I've been hearing all about loyalty... The end must be getting close, brothers and sisters.

stillin - The witnesses chatter about the latest broadcast. Have I seen the new one yet? No, not yet. And I haven't seen the last six of them! Hahahahaaa!

Exactly! I have no idea what it is... They keep asking you all the time the very same question: "Have you seen the latest broadcasting?"

No, and I never will. If I ever do, then shoot me, as one "sister" said at the convention.

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There is a new letter to elders about Child Abuse

by ttdtt in

anyone see that there is a long letter on how to handle child abuse?.

Saename

konceptual99 - Time and time again it has been demonstrated that the elders are so brainless that they have to be told what the law is.

Yeah... That's been pretty much proven during the Australian Royal Commission.

flipper - So much of this letter is same shit- different day.

Yeah... This letter is gold bullshit. Kind of like this:

It's decorated nicely with gold and a red pillow, but at the end of the day... it's just shit. The letter may be nicely written, and it may sound well-organised to a normal Witness, but it's still the same shit.

Mozzie - In the young people ask book i believe it talks about reporting these things to the elders or the family, but no where does it say to contact \authorities.

I've never read the Young People Ask books, but I'll take your word for it. So... go(o)d point!

They're telling young, innocent people to contact elders, but they don't let them know of the policies that the elders have. Those young ones have no idea what the elders will do—and they will most likely do nothing—yet are still told to report to the elders. Those young people will think that the elders will protect them, take care of them, but as it's been proven time and time again, those foolish elders have no f*cking idea what to do in cases of child abuse. Because... guess what... neither of them has a degree in a relevant field in order to talk to and help an abused victim. Disgusting. And then they tell in courts that they are guided by some letters from 7 men in New York, so they know what they're doing... They. Are. F*cking. Fools. Let us, both theists and atheists, pray to heavens for Hell so that those fools could learn a lesson.

Right...?

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There is a new letter to elders about Child Abuse

by ttdtt in

anyone see that there is a long letter on how to handle child abuse?.

Saename

About calling the Legal Department when there are mandatory reporting laws in the area... What is the point of calling the Legal Department in the first place? It surely must be so that the Legal Department can think of some excuse not to inform the authorities? I mean... what other purpose would there be for this policy? If there is a mandatory law, then there is a mandatory law. It's that simple... I don't think anyone has to think about whether to inform authorities when the law requires that one do so? Or are the elders so brainless that they have to be told what the law means?

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There is a new letter to elders about Child Abuse

by ttdtt in

anyone see that there is a long letter on how to handle child abuse?.

Saename

steve2 - Very helpful overview Saename. Makes the changes - or lack of them - stand out.

Thank you for your kind words.

steve2 - Regarding your above quote, my understanding is that this aspect changed some time back. It is not new. In other words, for some years now, the victim has not had to be confront the alleged abuser or be present when elders question him.

I wasn't aware of that. This means that there are practically no changes in the policies. Why did they bother to write the letter at all...?

steve2 - For me the big change is allowing a member of the congregation to be present when the elders meet with the victim, preferably a parent. Sure, if one of the parents is not a JW that excludes them - but at least it's a start. I note too that it does not state that the victim chooses who her support person will be - but I'd like to think the elders will take that into account - no guarantees.

Yeah, at least it is a start. Still, they should be despised by everyone and anyone because of excluding non-JW parents—especially disfellowshipped ones.

Thank you for your note, too. I didn't notice the fact that the victim does not choose her support person. The decision is entirely made by the elders, so... yeah... probably they would exclude non-JW parents—especially disfellowshipped ones.

steve2 - In essence, whilst a change here and there, it does not go far enough - especially around informing the authorites regardless of what the state law is.

Yeah, informing the authorities is the big part. The letter does not say whether the elders should even encourage the parents to inform the authorities—meaning, the elders will probably not encourage the parents to do so.

stillin - I recommend caution in this. It's fun but I had an elder go into bulldog mode when I tipped my hand about something that only the elite elders were supposed to know. I acted dumb and another elder came to my rescue.
But then, I'm doing a painfully slow fade. Maybe you're looking for excitement.

Yeah, I'm not really looking for a slow fade. I'm all for excitement. Besides, I'm an unbaptised publisher who just finished high school and is going to university after summer. That means that I do have friends outside the congregation. It wouldn't matter to me if they decided to shun me. Additionally, I'm a very confident person. Very confident. I don't let others have authority over me. I don't believe the elders have any real power. It's all fake. I realise this, so I really don't think they'd be capable of dealing with me if they pursued the case.