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  devil question

  by Carol1111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had a discussion with 4 jws today and they told me that jesus could not be tempted, ( they say that he would not be perfect if he could) but also they told me that satan tempted jesus in the wilderness.. can anyone clarify their beliefs please.

  i like to give them a reasoned argument when i talk to them, but have never noticed this conflict of ideas before..

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  Saename

  smiddy - Isnt it true that the Old Testament does not identify" Satan" as any one being ,Angel , God , Spirit being or otherwise ?

  The personification of Satan as a fallen Angel is non existent in the Old Testament writings ,it was only introduced in the Christian Era of the New Testament.?

  Isnt that correct ?

  Yup. At the time when the Old Testament was being written, Jews didn't understand "Satan" as we do now. They thought "Satan" (ha satan) was really just another angel who was accomplishing God's will by being an adversary in the heavenly court. So, technically, the personification of Satan as a fallen angel is indeed non-existent in the Old Testament.

  However, this notion was not technically introduced in the Christian era of the New Testament. I think it would be more accurate to say it became highly popularized by Christians, but dualism (because this is what it is—the belief that there are forces of good and evil, angels and demons, God and Satan) was already introduced to Judaism long before Jesus was born. It was the Essenes, the Jewish sect that flourished from second century BCE to first century CE, who placed the cosmic battle between angels and demons, God and Satan, in the centre of their belief system. The notion that Satan was a fallen angel was already being developed before Jesus. Nonetheless, you are right in your conclusion that it has never been the belief of mainstream Judaism, and as such, the Old Testament was never meant to be read the way Christians read it.
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  When the CO comes a knocking.

  by Thisismein1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was going to reply to another thread, but thought this might deserve a separate topic.. my observations when i was a still in.. the announcement that jesus christ (the co) is visiting our local kh.. would anyone like to "volunteer" their time, money and accommodation for jesus christ.. all ass lickers of said kh come forward to receive jesus christ.

  a concerted effort for all to be out in the ministry that week, along with panicking elders visiting homes of those who have not been at the meetings for at least a week, offering "encouragement" so that the number of attendance is up for the week visit.. the self righteous in the kh who would never speak to you (pioneers included) and look down their noses at you all of a sudden start to speak to you.. during the visit, the elders are on their best behavior, thanking everyone who answers up.

  the pioneers are martyring themselves by making cakes and practically washing the feet of the jesus christ.. the attendance does rise, with studies being brought along, to show jesus christ what a good little jw they are.. most indoctrinated jw's practically shoot each other to have a turn on the ministry with jesus christ!.

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  Saename

  I remember being 'encouraged' to go preaching with the CO once during his and his wife's visit. I was still a believer, so I thought, 'Why not? I'm sure I'll learn something from the freaking awesome CO [Jesus Christ]!' So I talked to the CO about going in service together, and he agreed. We then went to preach, and... I was like... what the hell? Sure, he wasn't shy to talk about his faith as some of the brothers. He was confident in preaching, just like me, and the elders, and many of other brothers and sisters. I noticed he was exactly the same. Nothing extraordinary. I couldn't understand why I was being pressured so much into going in service with him. Needless to say, I didn't learn a single thing from him. He wasn't some saint as he was portrayed.
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  Prince wanted Obama to ban birthdays and Christmas, according to his buddy Van Jones

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw this news scrolling at the bottom of the television screen this morning.

  i looked it up.

  not much of a story, but it certainly has the ring of truth to it.

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  Saename

  Am I the only one who would actually want to see that? Just out of curiosity, to see the reaction of the people?
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  Special Talk During the Meeting Today About the Bad Press in Canada

  by RobertT18 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i was invited to a congregation in ontario, canada today and as soon as the meeting opened the brother conducting the meeting said there was a very important statement coming from the borg.

  this talk replaced the two last parts of "living as a christian" section.

  he started reading a letter from the borg about how much they loved us.

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  Saename

  I live in Ottawa, around 30–45 minutes away from Quebec, so I suppose the talk was given in my area. And if not, then it was likely given in my old congregation that was actually in Quebec (near the Champlain Bridge that connects Ottawa and Gatineau.) Too bad I didn't know of this in advance. I would attend the meeting to report. Well, too late...
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  Banned From The Kingdom Hall

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  banned from going to the kingdom hall..... a former jehovah’s witness has been banned from visiting any of the organisation’s kingdom halls in the uk – or face going to jail.. http://www.kentonline.co.uk/deal/news/judges-jail-warning-to-former-117012/.

  previous thread / discussion.

  youtube channel.

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  Saename

  As much as I love campaigns against Jehovah's Witnesses, what this guy did was inappropriate. I wish some former Witnesses were smarter than that.
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  This man was allowed to freely associate with the Peterborough Congregations of JWs

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/crime/peterborough-man-jailed-for-14-years-after-subjecting-young-boy-to-years-of-sexual-abuse-1-7715306.

  i kid you not.

  are you surprised he went to meetings and the elders knew about his perversions?.

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  Saename

  Another one. I'm truly surprised.

  Okay, maybe not yet.
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  Straight from the horse's mouth - Jehovah's Witnesses are mentally diseased

  by evilApostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many of you may remember the july, 2011 study edition watchtower magazine which stated that, "apostates are mentally diseased" ( http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011524?q=mentally+diseased&p=par ).

  to jehovah's witnesses, anyone who leaves "the truth" is an apostate.

  the funny thing is that logically, anyone who teaches false doctrines is also an apostate.. according to the watchtower, anyone who listens to false teachers also classify as apostates (see http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000309?q=false+teachers&p=par ).

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  Saename

  That's not how the phrase "straight from the horse's mouth" is usually used, but... whatever. Anyway, you're not going to wake up any Witnesses by using such a valid and sound syllogism. They have a very interesting superpower straight from Krypton called "resistance to logic." Their usual tactics involve special pleading.
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  Do You Remember When JWs Relished Explaining Their Beliefs?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i bet most witnesses could not explain their blood policy, their understanding of the slave, and even simple biblical doctrines....they are an embarrassment to any old timer..

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  Saename

  And I assume that many of the Jehovah's Witnesses who watch the monthly episodes do so only because of guilt. I personally never had any desire to watch those as I always perceived them as boring. However, I had to watch some of the episodes because fellow believers constantly asked me if I've seen "the recent JW programming." Then, they kept asking me what I thought was the most interesting part. When I think back on it, it's strange that I used to consider this type of behaviour normal and friendly.
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  Got a sense of humor? Help!

  by rebel8 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  nathan, outlaw.....all of you hilarious people...this means you!

  i believe in humor as an effective way to bring attention to an important topic.

  humor has made many people aware of the true nuttiness of the jw cult in the past (sign language masturbation video—went viral).. amazon allows humorous reviews and even showcases them.

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  Saename

  Yeah... a bunch of old guys writing about menstruation. Bet some of them get off on that...

  By the way, does the Watchtower still write material wherein all the responsibility regarding sexual appropriateness is still heaped on the girls/women? I can't exactly remember from the days (around a half a year ago) when I was attending meetings... In my congregation, whenever there was a lesson about this topic, it was mostly gender-neutral, I think, such as "marriage spouses can't have oral sex."
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  To the brother who called in sick after Thanksgiving vacation

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  thanks.. no really, thank you.. you decided to drive down to la with your wife and kids to be with extended family and eat a great big meal on thanksgiving.

  that's awesome.

  no, really, i hope you had great thanksgiving.. then you drove back up here, and that's a good day's drive so you were pretty tired.

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  Saename

  I wonder if this Jehovah's Witness is on this forum? But in any case, it's good to vent out :)

  Well, anyway, I know how bad a tooth can hurt. Every one of us probably has had this experience. So sorry to hear that. It's one of the most painful things that can happen to you on a daily basis. I hope the time until your rescheduled appointment passes quickly.

  By the way, whenever a tooth hurts, the hardest thing to do is to go to sleep... Hell, I already feel so sorry for you...