Posts by Saename

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What is the most bizarre counsel you received as a JW, from a JW?

by Funchback in

there were many addressed to me.

for example, i once had a sister tell me i was gambling because i liked playing skill crane (the machine where you have to try to pick up prizes like stuffed animals) at the arcade.

i then fired back a her: "you saw the r-rated movie 'backdraft.

Saename

I was told that masturbation will make me abusive of women―not only in the sense that I will see them as sexual objects and approach them as such but also in the sense that I will physically and emotionally mistreat and taunt them.

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Would You Outlaw Jehovah's Witnesses If You Had Your Way?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i still believe in freedom of religion even if i disagree with the beliefsof the religion.

what about you?.

Saename

I wouldn't outlaw them, but I would take away their tax-exempt status for numerous violations of human rights.

Edit: I would do the same to other religions that violate human rights. I can't single out just one of them for two reasons. Firstly, it is a double standard I cannot legally and logically allow. Secondly, it feeds the persecution complex of the religious people who are affected by my decision to take away their tax-exempt status.

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Calendar of Jehovah God

by Saename in

it's so stupid i think it infected me with its virus: pagan practices.

check the subheading "calendar.

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Saename

It's so stupid I think it infected me with its virus: Pagan Practices. Check the subheading "Calendar."

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Tattoo Time

by freemindfade in

getting the second tattoo soon, in a long line of many to come!

any of you other sinners getting ink'd on a regular basis?

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Saename

stan livedeath, I think your tattoo says, "No Regert" instead of, "No Regret"...

Anyway, I'll be getting a tattoo some day, too. Just don't know when. I don't know yet what it will even be, so I still have to figure this out—although I do know I'll have it on my chest. But I don't think my tattoo will be a word; I'm more interested in symbols.

For those who say a tattoo is forever, I know. I want to do this. I want it to be a symbol of my change. In the past, I used to be very naive. I believed the Governing Body was the authority on everything—religion, history, science. That no longer is the case. Today, I'm so rational I'm a pain in the ass.

So maybe something that would symbolize reason/logic/evidence?

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Ever heard of a brother being DFD and just walking away from family support?

by Crazyguy in

just wondering if there ever been a brother that got dfd and then was shunned by his wife and his at home kids and he's just said , if your going to treat me like this screw it and walked away from all his responsibilities as a provider etc?

it must be hard for those that are dfd to continue to support those that shun him?

again anyone hear of such a case?.

Saename

After reading stan livedeath's and exjwlemming's posts, I am greatly saddened and disappointed at seeing such sexism against men being practised. How can a court of law rationally justify giving the wife the material possessions of the husband when he is the victim? Both stan livedeath and exjwlemming were treated like trash by their families and eventually also lost their material possessions because of divorce. While I usually detest affairs and cheating in general, I cannot help but sympathise with stan livedeath. How could he have been expected not to cheat when he was being treated this way? How can anyone be so biased against men, women, or anyone when the facts stare straight in one's face? As a person who tries to think logically as much as I can, and as a person who has trained himself to make the fewest number of unjustified assumptions possible, these cases seem to me like primary examples of infantile stupidity. One cannot help but agree with Richard Dawkins's assessment that religion is a delusion.

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What was Jesus last name???

by James Mixon in

jesus in hebrew means "savior' and christ in greek means "messiah".

these are identifiers --not names in jesus case.. where did the name christ come from, his parents???

?i can see the name jesus (first name) but christ.

Saename

In this case we're in agreement. The virgin birth did not happen. We can of course speculate, by use of abductive inference, how the story got started. It may not be the most productive use of one's time since it is practically inconsequential to atheists, but it is something one can do.

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What was Jesus last name???

by James Mixon in

jesus in hebrew means "savior' and christ in greek means "messiah".

these are identifiers --not names in jesus case.. where did the name christ come from, his parents???

?i can see the name jesus (first name) but christ.

Saename

I'm not sure what you mean when you say, "[...] but not the virgin birth, that's hard to digest..."

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What was Jesus last name???

by James Mixon in

jesus in hebrew means "savior' and christ in greek means "messiah".

these are identifiers --not names in jesus case.. where did the name christ come from, his parents???

?i can see the name jesus (first name) but christ.

Saename

No, the taxation story was invented to explain how come Jesus was known as Jesus of Nazareth if, according to the Old Testament, the messiah was supposed to be born in Bethlehem.

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What was Jesus last name???

by James Mixon in

jesus in hebrew means "savior' and christ in greek means "messiah".

these are identifiers --not names in jesus case.. where did the name christ come from, his parents???

?i can see the name jesus (first name) but christ.

Saename

James Mixon, whatever one were to say about that, it would be mere speculation. We don't have any evidence. Maybe Joseph was Jesus' father. Or maybe she had an affair. Probably the latter since we know that Mary and Joseph had a fight because of her pregnancy. Maybe Joseph chose to forgive willingly? Maybe he wasn't fed with any excuses? Who knows... Either way, he likely was not told that Mary was impregnated by God since our earliest accounts do not have the virgin birth story. Somehow he chose to forgive her for her affair.

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What was Jesus last name???

by James Mixon in

jesus in hebrew means "savior' and christ in greek means "messiah".

these are identifiers --not names in jesus case.. where did the name christ come from, his parents???

?i can see the name jesus (first name) but christ.

Saename

This is how Bart Ehrman tries to trick his students: by asking the question, "What was Jesus' (or Paul's) last name?" The fact is that people in Antiquity did not have last names. They were usually identified as "[name] son of [the person's father's name]" or "[name] of [place of birth]." This is why Jesus is often referred to as Jesus of Nazareth. (There is strong evidence indicating he wasn't born in Bethlehem.) At times, he is also called Jesus son of Joseph (John 6.42) and Jesus son of Mary (Mark 6.3).

In addition, in Antiquity, some people had sort of nicknames, or cognomina (cognomen in singular form), given to them, which is why Jesus is most often called Jesus Christ (the latter part of his name being the cognomen.) A cognomen was initially a nickname given to someone because of a certain characteristic this person exhibited. This characteristic was supposed to differentiate the person from others. Since Jesus was known among his disciples as the anointed one (christos in Greek, maschiah in Hebrew, Christ/messiah as English transliterations), he was given the cognomen christos. It was later translated into Latin christus, which then was transliterated into English Christ.

Having said that, I am convinced Jesus' parents did not give him this nickname. In our earliest gospel, gospel of Mark, Jesus' family thinks that he is out of his mind because he began to preach (Mark 3.21)! (This verse also indicates that the author either didn't know of or didn't believe in the virgin birth story. This has led scholars to believe that the virgin birth story was a later invention.)