Posts by Saename

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JW Cart Witnessing = ONE BIG JOKE

by Black Man in

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was talking to a good buddy of mine a couple days ago (we pioneered and were in bethel together and have both left the cult a few years ago), about the current cart and d. and the consensus was that it is now a complete joke.

was watching a couple witnesses last week sit at a table with their literature display.

no approaching people for conversation, no initiating stimulating dialogue with passerbys, as was encouraged when i "pioneered" back in the day.

Saename

I remember when I was still an unbaptized publisher going from door to door. I also remember when I found out about this whole cart witnessing thing and was told that each person has to be approved in order to 'participate'... I couldn't help but wonder, 'What the heck are the qualifications'?

Having that said, in my career as a publisher, I had a few opportunities to 'participate' in cart witnessing. I wasn't approved, but those opportunities were really outcomes of certain circumstances, such as when I was doing door-to-door preaching with somebody who had already planned cart witnessing afterwards but couldn't drive me back home. (I was younger at the time, without the driver's license.)

I think it happened around three times. It was the best type of preaching, precisely because I didn't have to talk to anyone. I was still inexperienced, yet I didn't have any problems with cart witnessing...

Those 'qualifications' are really a joke, I'd have to say.

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Great Tribulation alert?: Russia signs new restrictions that bans almost all forms of religious preaching outside recognized churches.

by redpilltwice in

this morning, my wife showed me this online article (written yesterday evening july 11, 2016) from dutch newspaper "trouw":.

http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/4716/christendom/article/detail/4337852/2016/07/11/rusland-verbiedt-thuiskerken-en-meeste-geloofsverkondiging.dhtml.

to me, this seems to be one serious step further, and together with the convention bunker video's it will surely fuel the persecution-syndrome and expectations of the great tribulation even more than it already did!

Saename

Couldn't decide which one.

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Stop Learning Stuff!

by AnonVet in

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Stop Learning Stuff!

by AnonVet in

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Great Tribulation alert?: Russia signs new restrictions that bans almost all forms of religious preaching outside recognized churches.

by redpilltwice in

this morning, my wife showed me this online article (written yesterday evening july 11, 2016) from dutch newspaper "trouw":.

http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/4716/christendom/article/detail/4337852/2016/07/11/rusland-verbiedt-thuiskerken-en-meeste-geloofsverkondiging.dhtml.

to me, this seems to be one serious step further, and together with the convention bunker video's it will surely fuel the persecution-syndrome and expectations of the great tribulation even more than it already did!

Saename

Vidiot - Wait... Isn't "Babylon the Great" supposed to be attacked first? Isn't the "King of the North" supposed to attack God's People last? WTF???

What did you expect? He was just resurrected this season. The King of the North will make mistakes, especially after being dead for a few days. He's still waking up. Give him some time; Jon will realize he's attacking the wrong religion.

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How did all these civilizations survive the flood?

by losthobbit in

flood 2304 bc (http://creation.com/the-date-of-noahs-flood).

neolithic 8500-1500 bc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_neolithic_cultures_of_china).

egyption dynasty 4 2613 to 2494 bc, dynasty 5: 2494 to 2345 bc, dynasty 6: 2345 - 2181 bc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_ancient_egyptian_dynasties).

Saename

stuckinarut2 - Good reasoning saename!

Thanks. I may be wrong, of course, but it's not like we are ever going to find out what the author of Numbers meant or thought at the time of writing the book, so... why not just make a guess, eh?

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The Kingdom—100 Years of Freemasonic Propaganda

by jwdoctrine in

the kingdom—100 years of freemasonic propaganda.

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new post on http://jwdoctrine.com/the-kingdom-100-years-of-freemasonic-propaganda/ now connects pinky rings ,freemasonry and symbolism .....

Saename

LostGeneration, I understand your frustration. I don't quite get it either.

I don't get it especially because I'm a skeptic. I don't believe in things just because someone tells me what happened. Especially when it comes to history, a subject I like to learn about. I was never able to find (relatively) unbiased and reliable sources to confirm or disconfirm the hypothesis that Russel created the Watchtower that was allegedly linked to the Freemasons.

I am no Watchtower sympathizer, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna believe every single statement against the Watchtower.

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How did all these civilizations survive the flood?

by losthobbit in

flood 2304 bc (http://creation.com/the-date-of-noahs-flood).

neolithic 8500-1500 bc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_neolithic_cultures_of_china).

egyption dynasty 4 2613 to 2494 bc, dynasty 5: 2494 to 2345 bc, dynasty 6: 2345 - 2181 bc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_ancient_egyptian_dynasties).

Saename

James Mixon - Gen. 6:4 and Numbers 13:33 is a big problem for believers.

I would have to disagree. I am no Christian apologist as I am an atheist, and I in no way believe in an inerrant Bible. So keep that in mind as you will be reading this post.

Having that said, I don't think Gen. 6.4 and Num 13.33 are a contradiction. I mean, Genesis does say that the Nephilim died after the flood, and in Numbers 13 we do have a reference to those Nephilim as if they were still alive. However, keep in mind who mentions those Nephilim. To me, it seems that it was a purposeful lie on the part of the speakers (the spies who went off to the land with Caleb) to scare the Israelites so that they would not attempt to wage war against the Canaanites (and other nations.)

I mean, of course, I don't believe this even happened. I don't believe any of it is historical as we have evidence that the Israelites settled in the land of Canaan rather peacefully—without as many conflicts as the Old Testament "testifies." However, what I mean is that I don't think the author of Numbers made a contradiction. I believe the author of Numbers, when he was making up that story, mentioned the Nephilim purposefully, knowing that they were already dead in this fantasy world. I think that whoever wrote Numbers—and, no, it was not Moses—just wanted to add some drama into the story. So, as a result, we have spies who are deliberately lying to Moses and his people.

But let me highlight one thing again. I am an atheist, and I don't believe this account is even an actual historical fact. I'm just analysing it as I would a novel or any other creative piece of writing. It seems to me to be too obvious to actually consider it a contradiction.

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How did all these civilizations survive the flood?

by losthobbit in

flood 2304 bc (http://creation.com/the-date-of-noahs-flood).

neolithic 8500-1500 bc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_neolithic_cultures_of_china).

egyption dynasty 4 2613 to 2494 bc, dynasty 5: 2494 to 2345 bc, dynasty 6: 2345 - 2181 bc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_ancient_egyptian_dynasties).

Saename

Well, there obviously was no global flood. All evidence is completely against such notion.

However, there are theories that some flood may have occurred long, long time ago. This would explain why we have stories about floods coming from different cultures that didn't have contact with each other prior to globalization.

Nonetheless, keep in mind that if said flood ever happened (not the Biblical flood obviously...), then it would have been of a lesser magnitude than those tales would have us believe. Much lesser magnitude, in fact.

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Why JW's Rave So Much About Conventions

by freemindfade in

"it was so beautiful, we are truly blessed!

now, they also plaster these affirmations all over social media, "this is the best life", “so blessed”, “best convention”.. why the gushing?

have you ever heard anyone say, “mmmm it was ok”?

Saename

Well, if any Jehovah's Witness said something bad about a convention, or the Watchtower, or the Governing Body, s/he would be labelled as an apostate. It's as simple as that. Surely, they can say, "It was okay." However, if anybody hears him say that, what will the elders think? What will the congregation think? They will all think that this person is spiritually weak. Accordingly, what are Jehovah's Witnesses encouraged not to do? They are encouraged not to associate with people who are spiritually weak. Worse yet, if anybody is seen as an apostate, s/he will have to meet with the elders who will arrange a Judicial Committee. A possible decision that could be made as a result of such meeting is disfellowshipping. Any Jehovah's Witness who is disfellowshipped must be shunned by other active Jehovah's Witnesses.

No Jehovah's Witness would recognize this; however, I believe it is always fear-induced speech whenever a person says how good a meeting was. (Did you notice that Jehovah's Witnesses say the exact same thing about meetings?) Of course, it is not a conscious fear; rather, it happens on an unconscious level. It is continuously repeated to Jehovah's Witnesses that if they reject the organisation, and such would include saying anything bad about the organisation, they are in effect rejecting God himself who allegedly appointed said organisation. As a result, they are in fear—unconsciously, I would argue nonetheless—that they can lose their opportunity of living forever in the Paradise Earth.

Of course, it does not always happen like that. The thoughts I'm sharing with you are rather simplistic and do not necessarily reflect each though pattern within the Jehovah's Witness members. Human minds are unquestionably complex, and I would argue that, at times, such unconscious fear plays a lesser role within the Jehovah's Witness pattern of thinking.