Posts by Saename

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Just realized they changed maybe the most important scripture in the bible.

by Crazyguy in

i just read the scripture then went and checked in thier older bible and it read the same so i check the greek interlinear and yes they changed john 3:16 .

the verse reads "all who believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life" the cult version says "exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life".. so not only do they say one must exercise faith meaning having to work for it but also they changed should not perish but having everlasting life to might not be destroyed again making a caveat where one does not exist.

just to add to the point verse 18 in both bibles says the one having faith is not judged, totally blowing up thier version of 16 but of course they change 18 to say exercising faith too but it makes little difference, since it says not judged.

Saename

steve2 - It would be revealing to see what, if anything, the organization has specifically said about the rationale for its unique rendering.

I assume they would just cite Paul's words—something to the effect of, "Faith without works is dead." They'd say that since Paul believed it, Jesus evidently must have believed that as well. It's not like they were evidently two separate persons, right?

Right...

Finkelstein - The leaders of this organization have always said they were the " only " true and correct preachers of the Gospel, faithfully loyal to God and guided by his holy spirit.

Er... no...? Where did you get that from? Everyone knows that the organisation have always said they were evidently the only true and correct preachers of the "gospel," that they were evidently faithfully loyal to God, and also that they were evidently guided by his holy spirit.

Sorry... I evidently couldn't resist.

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When did the governing body go from 12 to 7 members?

by Tameria2001 in

i have been out and away from that cult since 2001. back then there were 12 members of the governing body, and now i'm learning that number has come down to 7. when did this change take place, and what was their reason for dropping the number?.

Saename

The 7 killed the other 5 thinking that if the rank and file members saw a decrease in the number of the Governing Body members, they'd be convinced that...

Winter is Coming - brace yourselves the end is coming

[If you read Fox News, this is sarcasm! I am not actually accusing anyone of murder...]

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Inbox Does Not Work

by Saename in

i recently noticed that i have a new message from someone in my inbox.

here's a screenshot for you guys to make sure we're on the same page:.

so now that you know what inbox is......... the problem is that when i click on the letter icon surrounded by the green bubble of wisdom and life and good and bad and... wait, no... er... anyway, when i click on it to see the message, this is what i get:.

Saename

Thanks, jaydee. I haven't seen your post. By the way, another person messaged me, and I still can't open the inbox :D

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Low Day For Me Today

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

it's been about 4 or 5 weeks since i was disfellowshipped.

so far it's been easy, i enjoyed being left alone, no one bothering me, no one telling me i need to do more, need to reach out, questioning why i didnt go on the ministry, and the fact that my ex-wifes family cant talk to me even if they wanted to.

Saename

Giordano - Something else occur's to me re your attendance at their KH. Will it reinforce that the JW's are a part of her life and she has her father's approval by virtue of his regular attendance? Will it bother her that no one talks to her Dad?
Would it be better to simply expose her to the great life you are going to live?

I would have to agree.

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Do they prepare for preaching or do they socialize?

by never a jw in

my brother (a jw for 30 years) and i purchased a duplex.

he lives in one house, i live in the other, our common area separating both houses is the backyard.

we both can see each other's house across our common backyard.

Saename

never a jw - If my estimates help me right, it wasn't 10 minutes before the text, it was more like 1/2 hour of socializing

Your brother must be really "zealous" :D

never a jw - JW's are usually quite pleasant, as long as they don't turn on their doom-and-gloom-for-everyone-but-us switch. I actually will consider bringing some nice pastries filled with apostate poison.

Be careful :D They might think you're responding to the 'truth."

No, seriously, they might... They are often told that when somebody is showing kindness to Jehovah's Witnesses—as opposed to persecuting them (because... you know... everybody is persecuting them)—then that person must be interested in the "truth."

Darryl - By the way has there ever been anyone in history who was not aux or reg pioneering that when asked that question-how long did you plan on being out this morning responded "At least till 2:30 3:00."

When I was still an active unbaptised publisher, I would actually respond by saying, "At least until [time]," hoping that the person I'm talking to would be willing to preach with me for at least a bit longer. I was actually quite "zealous" as for an unbaptised publisher when I thought it was the "truth." Once I spent the whole Christmas break preaching as a 16-year-old. I think I got 50 hours in two weeks. But when I found out I was wrong... well... it was either "Quit!!!" or "Be deceived."

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LivingSocial SurvivalKit: For 1 or 2? And that is the question!

by oppostate in

just following the "worst-district-convention-ever" there's a lot of frightened jw's worriedly and eagerly excited about the "great tribulationnnnn-tam-tam-tammmmm" starting.

it's the talk of the town in jw land.. today, my wife is off to the sunday meeting and an after-spiritual-banquet-get-together for the speaker.

i'm staying home for this one.

Saename

Maybe it's not for Armageddon but simply for a potential disaster? But I guess it'd be weird searching for a survival kit right after this convention's "bunker" video...

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Just realized they changed maybe the most important scripture in the bible.

by Crazyguy in

i just read the scripture then went and checked in thier older bible and it read the same so i check the greek interlinear and yes they changed john 3:16 .

the verse reads "all who believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life" the cult version says "exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life".. so not only do they say one must exercise faith meaning having to work for it but also they changed should not perish but having everlasting life to might not be destroyed again making a caveat where one does not exist.

just to add to the point verse 18 in both bibles says the one having faith is not judged, totally blowing up thier version of 16 but of course they change 18 to say exercising faith too but it makes little difference, since it says not judged.

Saename

Finkelstein - Oewwww...... can you see and smell the corruption ?

No. But I can smell the dinner. Dinner is more important. (Soooorryyyyy.....)

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Do they prepare for preaching or do they socialize?

by never a jw in

my brother (a jw for 30 years) and i purchased a duplex.

he lives in one house, i live in the other, our common area separating both houses is the backyard.

we both can see each other's house across our common backyard.

Saename

blondie - Did I say these same people would stop at 11:00 for a long breakfast and make an rv on the way home and count 3 hours.

That's how it was... I always tried to count my time genuinely, so, while also attending school, I'd get maybe barely 10 hours a month. I was often afraid that an elder would approach me about my time... If I said to him that it was because of how the other publishers wanted to socialise instead of actually preach, I'd probably be told to also go out on other days... And then I'd have to remind him that I have school, so Sundays are fine for meetings but not also preaching because I'd need to study... And then he'd say how good it was that I was just finishing high school, so I could focus on preaching then instead of university or college...

Their brains are wired in a weird, unknown-to-me way.

37

Just realized they changed maybe the most important scripture in the bible.

by Crazyguy in

i just read the scripture then went and checked in thier older bible and it read the same so i check the greek interlinear and yes they changed john 3:16 .

the verse reads "all who believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life" the cult version says "exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life".. so not only do they say one must exercise faith meaning having to work for it but also they changed should not perish but having everlasting life to might not be destroyed again making a caveat where one does not exist.

just to add to the point verse 18 in both bibles says the one having faith is not judged, totally blowing up thier version of 16 but of course they change 18 to say exercising faith too but it makes little difference, since it says not judged.

Saename

DATA-DOG - Are we arguing about whether or not the Bible is accurate [...]?

Nobody is arguing that.

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Low Day For Me Today

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

it's been about 4 or 5 weeks since i was disfellowshipped.

so far it's been easy, i enjoyed being left alone, no one bothering me, no one telling me i need to do more, need to reach out, questioning why i didnt go on the ministry, and the fact that my ex-wifes family cant talk to me even if they wanted to.

Saename

By the way, if it came to that, keep in mind that, as I understand it, you could use this incident in court to show how shunning policies—and how the organisation in general—are badly affecting your daughter.