Posts by Saename

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"Jehovah's Witnesses look in other direction" (Oct 12th 2017)

by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

appaling report pertaing to the $4000 daily penalty against the watchtower.

they're squirming.... .

https://m.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/oct/12/ticker-jehovahs-witnesses-look-another-direction/?templates=mobile.

Saename

Sooo... does anyone know how much the Watchtower owes by now?

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Is it better to have a false hope than have no hope?

by sinboi in

just got the news.

a very close classmate of mine met an accident and died last nite.... just 4 months after i da'd from the borg.. if i am still in, i wouldn't be so sad.

he has the hope of resurrection.. but now that i am out, i realise that resurrection in paradise is all bullshit.. so what's next?

I don't think false hope is inherently bad. It's when you build your whole life around this false hope that it becomes futile and dangerous. Jehovah's Witnesses do just that. They hope for the better future. They hope God will create a paradise earth for them. The reason why it's a problem is that they build their lives around that. Sometimes, they reject a job promotion because they think it would interfere with their spiritual goals. Sometimes, they deny themselves the opportunity of getting a higher education for the same reason. Sometimes, they don't accept blood transfusions, again for the same reason. That is quite obviously a problem.

But let's say that there is a "worldly" person who learns that she is terminally ill and most likely will be dead within a year. Let's say that she also enjoys reading books—like really enjoys. In addition, let's imagine that there will be a new book coming out in one and a half years, and she really wants to read this book. Her hope that she will live long enough to read it is in some sense "false." According to multiple doctors, she won't survive for more than a year. Is it necessarily bad if she hopes to see the book one day—if this is one of the things that keeps her going?

There is of course another thought experiment that applies just as well. Is having no hope worse if that very same person, who happens to be an atheist, lives in a region where she has the legal right to die at any time (because of her terminal illness)? Is it worse if she also believes she won't go to hell or won't be punished in any other way for choosing to die? Is it worse if she also believes that she doesn't have to fear death because she doesn't believe in the afterlife anyway? Some would say that in such a case, choosing to die because having no hope is better. Why suffer a year of some terminal illness if you can die already without experiencing the suffering?

So is false hope bad? Sometimes it is, sometimes it may not be. Sometimes it is for some people, sometimes it may not be for some people.

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The Trinity Easily Explained in 29 Words

by maccauk in

a man can be a father .

a man can be a son.

a man can be a husband.

Saename

That's how modalists defended modalism... which the proto-orthodox church called a heresy...

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ARC—What's Next?

by Saename in

so as we know, the wt changed very little with regards to how they respond to child sexual abuse allegations.

they basically ignored the australian royal commission's report on how they could improve their policies.

the watchtower is left alone in australia to do as they please, or will there be some kind of follow-up?

Saename

So as we know, the WT changed very little with regards to how they respond to child sexual abuse allegations. They basically ignored the Australian Royal Commission's report on how they could improve their policies. So what's next? Is that it now? The Watchtower is left alone in Australia to do as they please, or will there be some kind of follow-up? I really don't know how these things work in Australia, so I'd appreciate some information.

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I'm starting a Counter-Watchtower magazine

by Counter-Watchtower in

im starting a counter-watchtower magazine for everyone to give to their jw friends and family or just to give to those that come to your door.

the first issue is about the history of pyramidology of c.t.

russel and under the start of rutherford along with some other things like pointing out the fact that no one knows the translators of the nwt or writers of the watchtower, "the two very things relied on to teach you".. its writen in such a way to be very repectful but to make the reader think, and hopefully the light come on.

Saename

Counter-Watchtower - The cover will have Russel and Rutherford looking grand with the title "A Journey in Time Through" old watchtower cover.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say "old watchtower cover." If you can, would you clarify that for me? I'm concerned because I'm wondering if you're planning to use an old Watchtower cover for your own publication. Is it the case that you are planning to do it? If it is, please remember that you may or may not (I'm not an expert in law, and most certainly I don't know what the law is in your area) be accused of copyright infringement.

But then again, I'm likely misunderstanding your words.

Also, it would be worth thinking about a different title than Counter-Watchtower. If you care about changing the minds of Jehovah's Witnesses, making that your title won't be effective. Most will immediately think that it's an apostate publication, and that it's in their best interest to ignore it.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing it.

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How to delete my account here?

by video in

how to delete my account here?.

Saename

Just grab a beer and enjoy your stay, mate.

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Just Got Dubbed..

by snugglebunny in

jw
friends

so there i was earlier today, enjoying a spot of lunch in a pleasant little cafe whilst out shopping, when up came a fella i vaguely recognised from the dim and distant past just as i was tucking into my highland soup with bread roll and butter..

"i would never ignore you you know".. "eh?

what" i ventured wondering wtf is this all about.

Saename

punkofnice is right. Let's talk about the soup.

What kind of soup was this?

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Does Morality Exist?

by Fisherman in

some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.

some people don't.. does morality exist?

if so, prove it..

Saename

I'm writing this post because I want to say how much I agree with cofty at this moment (except for the social construct bit, but that's irrelevant...) The purpose of this thread isn't to debate the "existence of morality"—whatever the hell that's supposed to mean. Its purpose is to demonstrate that morality is pointless unless there is a value to it that we can experience eternally. What a load of bullshit.

My car isn't going to survive forever. It's going to die. In fact, it's going to die pretty soon compared to the average human lifespan. That doesn't make it meaningless. Cars are still useful—sometimes VERY useful. Try having a job long distance from home. How about you sell your car because it's only temporary? Are you satisfied with your job now? Yeah, I thought so. Same with the moral code.

I'm not going to live forever. I'm going to die. Maybe I'm going to die the next day, week, month, year, or decade. Whatever. The fact is that I'm going to die. So what? The point of living is to find the best way to be happy. Just compare the modern Western society to the society from the TV show The 100. See the difference?

And now please do tell me how our moral code is meaningless because I won't live forever. Now please do tell me how morality is just a label we put on well-being. Now please do tell me how there's nothing "moral about morality" (Jesus Christ, he's so confused...) because our instincts are a result of evolution. And here's the sentence which wins the prize: "And 'morality' is only a gimmick designed by evolution to survive as a species for no other purpose than to exist successfully and to survive - and then die." Please do tell me how "existing successfully" is such a futile goal.

And after telling me all this, take a course on logic and ethics because if you think that morality is meaningless without eternal experience, then you are still a long way from having an intellectual discussion on this topic where both opponents actually contribute to the conversation.

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Meetings are boring

by Akid48 in

meetings are boring for young kids and old but i'm going to focus on young kids 5 or 8.. i think is unfair that young kids get punished for falling asleep or zoning out.. as meetings are not as boring but i have to go to school the next day and staying up till 10pm isn't the best i can't get out of going.. but think of the young kids that dont even understand most of the teachings.. i know most on the site are adults but i heard of adults falling asleep..

Saename

Jesus Christ, I remember when I was a very young kid (around 8 years old?), and my parents forced me to go to the meetings. Naturally, I don't remember too much because I was so young, and it was a long time ago. But I do remember the fact that I was sooo freaking bored. No kidding, my ass would hurt from sitting for too long and doing nothing. And, sure, I didn't understand anything, but I also never listened, so...

That was such a pain in the ass! (Of course, it all changed when I got older and WAY more zealous...)

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Does Morality Exist?

by Fisherman in

some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.

some people don't.. does morality exist?

if so, prove it..

Saename

Jesus f*cking Christ. Fisherman, you are strawmaning me, and you are making so many logical fallacies that I no longer care to point them out. You are also ignoring the fact that whether morality exists is an illegitimate question to ask. This is the fourth time I say it.

Please take a course on logic and ethics because you are incapable of understanding me. Having this type of education will allow you to better understand philosophical language.

The reason I am ending our discussion is not merely because I feel angry. It's because you are ignoring what I say. The fact that I had to tell you four times that whether morality exists is an illegitimate question to ask demonstrates that you do not care about whatever information I present to you.

You can have the last word if you care to.