Posts by Saename

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Here's PROOF that Charles Taze Russell Was NOT a Pennsylvania Freemason

by AndersonsInfo in

no, charles taze russell was not a pennsylvania freemason!.

this is the answer i received in a letter: .

"after a search of our records, we determined that the three russell's were not members of our organization.

Saename

Solaris11 - I am not here to defend what I have written, I am here to share what I have learned.

This is a discussion forum. If you don't care to have a discussion, why are you posting anything? Asserting that Russell was a Freemason and then later refusing to provide the evidence isn't a discussion. You're just spouting provoking nonsense. Someone challenged you on your self-contradictory claim, so now you're running away, saying that it's not your job to demonstrate anything. But it is. It is on this forum because it's a discussion forum. If you make a claim, you have the burden of proof to satisfy. If you don't care to provide the evidence, don't run around making claims you're not ready to defend on a discussion forum.

By no means am I saying you shouldn't be here, though; I'm saying your attitude doesn't fit the purposes of this board. With this approach, nobody here is going to take you seriously, so I really don't understand why you would even want to be here. But whatever...

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Evolution doesn't happen today...WRONG...

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

last year i had a brother tell me that one proof evolution is false is that he doesn't see it happening today... i was going to bring of viruses evolving so fast that new vaccines must be developed each year but felt he was too closed minded to receive it.

today i was listening to the audio book of 'an ancestors tale- richard dawkins' and noted oe point that shined through.. here is evolution happening>>>.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html.

Saename

cofty - There is some misinformation about subject that creationists like you exploit.

Could you specify what misinformation creationists like to use in their "debates"?

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COLD today

by wasone in

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it's a cold 13 degrees fahrenheit in tennessee this morning where i live.

glad i'm retired and don't have to work outside today.

what about where you live.

Saename

waton - That is not what the uninvited guests in 1941, 42, 43, 44, experienced there. a well deserved frosty non-welcome.

Yeah, it used to be cold and snowy which I can gather from what my grandparents told me. In the twenty-first century, though, all I've experienced in Bialystok, Poland (I didn't really travel to other parts of my country), was mild winter. I was disappointed multiple times because I've always loved winter, and I often wanted to play outside in the snow. But, alas, whenever there was snow, there was little of it, and it usually melted within a week. Those are my recollections anyway...

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COLD today

by wasone in

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it's a cold 13 degrees fahrenheit in tennessee this morning where i live.

glad i'm retired and don't have to work outside today.

what about where you live.

Saename

13 F and you're complaining? We've already had around -20 F (-30 C) here in Canada several times.

FadeToBlack - It has been an unusually mild winter here in central Poland.

I grew up in Bialystok, Poland. All we ever had was mild winter.

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Child abuse

by Jrjw in

i was talking to a jdub yesterday about child abuse in the organisation and this was his response:.

"it has been known for kids to make stuff up.

we have to trust the society on these things, also the legal process is there.

Saename

Headline jw abuser never catholic or born again abuser.

To my knowledge, Australian newspapers are actually focusing more on the Catholic church than the Jehovah's Witnesses.

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Is it 16?

by Jrjw in

hi can anyone tell me if it's true the society says parents must take their child to meetings until they're 16 even if they don't want to?

my ex is being a pain about me not forcing my 12 year old to be a witness.

he doesn't know i'm becoming inactive at moment so i have to be careful how i word things to him.

Saename

Someone on this forum made a remarkable statement that I will never forget. He said something to the effect of, "if the Society teaches that children as young as eight or nine are ready to make their dedication to 'Jehovah', then they are ready to decide whether or not they wish to attend meetings." That shut his pushy ex up who was trying to get their child baptized.

Oh my God. This is ingenious. This perfectly reveals the double standard in the JW community. 9-year-old kids can be ready and mature enough to get baptized and therefore dedicate their entire life to God (and even face shunning a year later at 10 if they fail to please God.) But these very same kids can never be ready and mature enough to do the opposite and not go to meetings when they're bothered by their JW parents.

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Years REALLY DO FLY BY!

by somebody in

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i just realized that i was 39 years old when i joined this discussion board.

i remember the morning conversations that always brought me laughter, and i think there were only a but about 9 or 10 regulars back then!

i will now turn 57 years old in a few months.

Saename

I was going to start a thread (still probably will) about how we, on this site, four years ago were discussing the fact that it was 2014, which was 100 years since the all-important JW date of 1914.

Oh my God, I remember that year. I was still a fully in Witness. I remember vividly sitting at a meeting, holding Our Kingdom Ministry from August, 2014, which on the front page claimed that a hundred years have already passed since Jesus became the king of God's kingdom. Oh, how happy were we about that! If someone told me back then that a year and around 10 months later I would become an atheist, I wouldn't believe them...

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Latest JW.org Statistics Are Confusing & Lack Context

by steve2 in

earlier this week a new post on this forum announced that the 2017 worldwide annual service report was available on jw.org.

wow - that's earlier than the statistics for the 2016 service year which appeared in the 2017 yearbook last january!

good effort, jw organization!

Saename

Wait, what? So they are so CLEARLY lying about statistics? For some countries, statistics for 2017 are taken straight from statistics for 2016? Really? Did I understand you correctly?

I thought they'd at least try to hide the unfavourable facts... Meanwhile, they are lying in the light of day. I suppose my doubt as to whether I understand you correctly has to do with the fact that it's really surprising. They have a history of hiding embarrassing facts—so why this?

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Crazy statements from JWTalk

by Jehovah lol in

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i'm sure many of you are aware of the jwtalk site, a message board which has yet to succumb to apostasy (give it time).. some of the forums there are visible to the public, and i've seen some crazy stuff.

here is a sampling:.

"satan is really trying his best to make things worst for the witnesses, knowing the 6,000 years is almost up, from eve's creation!".

Saename

Iv'e never understood why JWs get so hung up (pun unintended) on the position of Jesus's hands when he died. I can't think of anything less important.

How about... beards? or yoga? or oral sex? or saying "Bless you"? At least the last one's gotta be less important :D

There's also the inevitable smattering of threads and posts about how bloodless surgery vindicates the Watchtower's position on transfusions, even though their reasoning is entirely doctrinal, not medical.

Yeah... I hate that boogeyman of theirs. It's true that in plenty of situations, patients can survive and recover without blood transfusion. But then there are plenty of situations where blood transfusions are necessary. So, no, bloodless surgery doesn't vindicate their position at all since their position is that even when blood transfusions are absolutely necessary, accepting them still would be a sin. A sin. Because they view it as a sin and not as a medical error, no medical discovery could ever vindicate their position.

By the way, is it possible to create an account on their website somehow? What troubles me is that you have to give them your information such as the congregation you belong to. Do they somehow contact the congregation you list in order to confirm that you're an active member? I'm asking because I'd like to create an account (just to see what they post), but I'm not sure if they'd be able to see through me.

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Hebrew language question?

by Crazyguy in

vowel points were not added to the hebrew language until from what i have read the 10th century ad.

so how can anyone properly translate this language and the older canaanite dialect properly?.

Saename

The lack of vowel points isn't much of a problem when it comes to translation. It's only a problem when you're trying to figure out the pronunciation. Some words are indeed similar when you factor out the nikkud, such as the difference between "walk" and "walking" (halakh vs. holeykh, both being "hlk" without the vowels), but the context usually sorts it all out. In fact, Hebrew language today doesn't usually use vowel points anyway; it's usually seen only in grammar books, children's books, and the Bible.

Note: I don't know Hebrew, so don't take my word for it. It just so happens that I was studying this topic a few weeks ago.