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i am not a bible translator not do i speak ancient greek or hebrew.. john 13: 35 nwt : 'by this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves '.. (curiously, this verse is not listed in the nwt index under the word 'disciples'.).
the biblehub interlinear reads : ' by this will know all that to me disciples you are if love you have among yourselves '.. could it actually mean, contrary to all bible translations, that it is jesus himself, and not people in general, who identifies his disciples because they show love among each other?.
What publication is the excerpt from? I would be suspicious of the author tbh, in the 3rd century it was mostly the monks who recorded history after all.
It seems that with the passing of the centuries Christianity and the love weakened. In London during a plague, entire families were boarded up inside their homes if there was even one sick person thought to be inside, no contact, no care, no food etc.
ezekiel 8:3 he stretched out what looked like a hand and took me by the hair of my head.
then the spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven and carried me in visions of god to jerusalem,.
dan:14:36 then the angel of the lord took him by the crown, and lifted him up by the hair of his head, and with the blast of his breath set him in babylon over the den.. gospel of the hebrews in reference to jesus:.
He must've had long hair
disclaimer!
i am not a bible translator not do i speak ancient greek or hebrew.. john 13: 35 nwt : 'by this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves '.. (curiously, this verse is not listed in the nwt index under the word 'disciples'.).
the biblehub interlinear reads : ' by this will know all that to me disciples you are if love you have among yourselves '.. could it actually mean, contrary to all bible translations, that it is jesus himself, and not people in general, who identifies his disciples because they show love among each other?.
In theory I suppose the RCC preaches the love, but in reality, in the Catholic Ireland I'm from, that is far from the case, workhouses, mother and baby homes, the illegal burial and sale of babies and children by such establishments (still ongoing), child abuse, the blind eye Rome turned to the genocide now called a famine etc etc.
There are and have been good Christians in that denomination, b but as a group, they definitely don't fit Jesus description from what I see.
disclaimer!
i am not a bible translator not do i speak ancient greek or hebrew.. john 13: 35 nwt : 'by this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves '.. (curiously, this verse is not listed in the nwt index under the word 'disciples'.).
the biblehub interlinear reads : ' by this will know all that to me disciples you are if love you have among yourselves '.. could it actually mean, contrary to all bible translations, that it is jesus himself, and not people in general, who identifies his disciples because they show love among each other?.
Disclaimer! I am not a Bible translator not do I speak ancient Greek or Hebrew.
John 13: 35 NWT : 'By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves '.
(Curiously, this verse is not listed in the NWT Index under the word 'disciples'.)
The Biblehub Interlinear reads : ' By this will know all that to Me disciples you are if love you have among yourselves '.
Could it actually mean, contrary to all Bible translations, that it is Jesus himself, and not people in general, who identifies his disciples because they show love among each other?
At no point past or present has society in general said, ' oh these people are Jesus disciples because they're so loving to each other.' JWs are known for knocking on doors, that's it...
Matt 25: 34-46 'to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me'. Re showing love to each other.
Even Jesus disciples themselves don't realise that their love and care towards each other is anything outstanding. People in general are also unaware that their treatment of others has been unacceptable, according to this prophecy.
The only one who recognises the love and the actions of his disciples, is Jesus himself.
How do JWs fare under the scrutiny of these verses I wonder? From growing up in the religion, I very often felt that those who did good deeds towards their own br and sis did so out of a sense of duty, a way to rack up brownie points upstairs, rather than a genuine display of love.
Or maybe I am too cynical, of course there are exceptions, but as a group, I feel that especially since the 2020 worldwide Media circus, they have lost their way even more.
Thoughts?
the recent broad casts about not handing in time sheets, and then about beards, especially the beards, it seems so trivial, are those talks only released in order to distract the followers from the recent court case they lost on spain, from the csa cases, the kh sales and so on?.
i reckon they're taking their lead from the media, distract and divide tactics..
The recent broad casts about not handing in time sheets, and then about beards, especially the beards, it seems so trivial, are those talks only released in order to distract the followers from the recent court case they lost on Spain, from the CSA cases, the KH sales and so on?
I reckon they're taking their lead from the Media, distract and divide tactics.
this morning i decided to log into the local cong meeting on zoom, during the public talk the speaker likened the covid vx to jesus ransom sacrifice, saying that those who didn't avail of the vx, the 'anti vaxxers', are just like people who refuse to put faith in jesus.. i felt sick, knowing my unvxed but active jw parents were sitting there, i logged off immediately.
surely such talk is pure blasphemy or am i just over reacting?!.
i appreciate your thoughts, it will hopefully help me to approach my jw family with facts and logic, i'm praying they wake up fully and 'get out of her', i know they have reservations that's why they refused the vx..
I didn't know about those letters, in that case, my parents local cong has a slightly rebellious body of non jabbed elders!
I wonder how many more are out there?!!!
what if the truly unthinkable happened and the tower went down?
perhaps the irs swooped in and claimed fraud and padlocked the headquarters and kingdom hall doors?
or the gb took the money and ran to a nice non-extradition country to live out their years?
"The Argentina facility exists for a reason. I suspect that it will eventually serve its purpose."
Please tell me more! I haven't heard of this, very curious!
issues raised in this thread:.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6496820625145856/non-jw-parent-dating-jw-who-wants-children.
i'm trying to list all the things jw children are not allowed to do, or are discouraged from doing.
In fairness to my parents, they couldn't even afford to celebrate holidays and birthdays, sports were definitely out of their league. Window cleaners were far from wealthy in the 80s and 90s.
this morning i decided to log into the local cong meeting on zoom, during the public talk the speaker likened the covid vx to jesus ransom sacrifice, saying that those who didn't avail of the vx, the 'anti vaxxers', are just like people who refuse to put faith in jesus.. i felt sick, knowing my unvxed but active jw parents were sitting there, i logged off immediately.
surely such talk is pure blasphemy or am i just over reacting?!.
i appreciate your thoughts, it will hopefully help me to approach my jw family with facts and logic, i'm praying they wake up fully and 'get out of her', i know they have reservations that's why they refused the vx..
I dont know what the story is but from what I gather it varies a lot from the US to other countries, the US seems to be far stricter and more cult like whereas in Europe they're a teeny bit more lenient.
this morning i decided to log into the local cong meeting on zoom, during the public talk the speaker likened the covid vx to jesus ransom sacrifice, saying that those who didn't avail of the vx, the 'anti vaxxers', are just like people who refuse to put faith in jesus.. i felt sick, knowing my unvxed but active jw parents were sitting there, i logged off immediately.
surely such talk is pure blasphemy or am i just over reacting?!.
i appreciate your thoughts, it will hopefully help me to approach my jw family with facts and logic, i'm praying they wake up fully and 'get out of her', i know they have reservations that's why they refused the vx..
@punkofnice I fully agree with you 😅 my parents weren't at that meeting I learnt afterwards, dad's an elder, and I told them about the talk. They were apologetic, reminded me that the speaker was from another cong, and that a few of their elders are not vxed so at least in their cong it's not being pushed. I, however, find it somehow worse that none of them stood up and corrected the public speaker!!
