Posts by Dreamerdude

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I'm writing a letter to my country's branch

by Ray Frankz in

hi everyone.. well, i have some good news.

after having a terrible moment arguing with my mom about the 1914 teaching and all it evolves (she get really upset and i felt great regret for starting the argument) she came to me next day and started talking with a much more open mind, and she talked about a lot of concerns too.. she and my father naivily expressed the wish to write to bethel to ask about 607bc.

i told in all the possible ways it wouldn't work.

Dreamerdude

Watchtower attempted damage control with a detailed article trying to defend 607BC. I think it was published around November 2011.

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For Christians: What do you think about an Armagedon and the Afterlife

by John Davis in

i don't mean for anyone to get into argument over this, i just want to hear what people believe.i hope that no one will mock or argue with someone else about their beliefs, i know that i won't in this topic.. i still believe in a christian god, not what jws believe, but believe that there has to be something after this life.

i am not sure about how armageddon would go, would it be like how evangelicals believe with a rapture or timing or anything, though i still believe in a form of armageddon.

i do think that all good people will go to heaven but i don't believe in a hell.

Dreamerdude

I believe in God, but I believe him to be a loving God, as described by Jesus in the gospels, where he affectionately called God Abba. The Watchtower makes Jehovah seem to be a very angry, mean spirited and narrow minded god. I want to look back and on my life as a life well lived and I choose to believe that God will bless me beyond anything I can imagine. I don't demand the things shown in Watchtower's fantastic paintings of Paradise and leave it in God's hands.

I like the words of 1 Corinthians 2:9 But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, nor have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.”

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JW's are indeed extremists...

by HereIgo in

the current russia ban on jw's accusing them of extremism got me thinking.

at first, i disagreed, only because i am used to our constitutional rights here in the u.s. and feel that individuals should be able to practice whatever religion they prefer, even if i disagree with the teachings.

however, i started thinking of the ways that jw's are in fact extremists and perhaps should be banned.

Dreamerdude

There are many twisted things in the org, but the four areas you listed offer the best proof. In my opinion the Russian government's case was strongest when they called the two exjw witnesses, the woman who was shunned for escaping an abusive relationship, and the man who suffered from missing out on a good education.

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Did a current or ex-JW help you to awaken?

by TweetieBird in

jw
friends

was there something that was said to you that got the wheel turning in your brain, that caused you to start waking up to ttatt, either by a jw or ex-jw that you didn't know was awake?

i'm trying to think of things i can say or ask of my current family members still in that may help them to start seeing the real truth about the organization.

they think we're still in..

Dreamerdude

Jws woke me up and exjws helped me feel good about waking up.

The hypocrisy, blindness, and sometimes cruelty of the members kept me from the deepest levels of delusion. I was able to forgive them, but I was able to make sound decisions about some things.

I went to college.

I did not pioneer.

I did not apply to Bethel.

The one jw who helped me the most was Tony Morris. I saw him give a talk in 2012. I felt sorry for him because of his obvious PTSD from Vietnam. But I was shocked no one cut the mike on him or even objected to his insanity. Then I saw him addressing the whole English speaking world in the 2014 Annual Meeting. It was de ja vu, with no one jumping up to stop his crazy rant. I realized I was paralyzed by mind control, so I could not object either. I assume the other GB agree with him. That woke me up and shocked me. But the exjw community and fellow PIMOs have helped steady my nerves.

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Cart work - picture speaks for itself

by doubtfull1799 in

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Dreamerdude

This reminds me of the ghouls who wait to pounce at you in the Halloween haunted houses. You might expect the the guy hiding between the carts to jump out at you and spit cheetos in your face.

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Weekly Scripture Twist - aka the Watchtower Study

by doubtfull1799 in

“more than material assistance, refugees need spiritual and emotional support.

(matt.

4:4) elders can help by obtaining literature in the language of the refugees and by helping them contact brothers who speak their language.

Dreamerdude

I have been trying to thank of comments that will wake people up to the cold hearted attitude of the Watchtower. Here is what I said today for one of the review questions:

"Since the Government and charities take care of the material needs of refugees before we ever see them, we need to focus our efforts on helping them with their emotional and spiritual needs."

The sad part is that it fit right in with the tone and content of the parroting session.

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Where were the present GB members in 1975 and their ages the

by Lostandfound in

42years have passed since the great 1975 expectation delivered nothing.

blame for the expectations laid at feet of the faithful, 'it's your fault , you believed us so you are responsible for the let down'.

i have asked this previously and repeat the point, where were the current members of the governing body, 43 years ago.

Dreamerdude

It would be absurd to imagine a 10 year old Mark Sanderson drinking wine.

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Where were the present GB members in 1975 and their ages the

by Lostandfound in

42years have passed since the great 1975 expectation delivered nothing.

blame for the expectations laid at feet of the faithful, 'it's your fault , you believed us so you are responsible for the let down'.

i have asked this previously and repeat the point, where were the current members of the governing body, 43 years ago.

Dreamerdude

waton, sorry I don't know when each of these guys started claiming to be special, but Gerrit Loesch did indicate in the biography he narrated for wt that he was anointed in 1968.

Here is how he put it:

We got married a year later, in April 1967, and we were allowed to continue in the traveling work together. The following year, I realized that by Jehovah’s undeserved kindness, he had adopted me as a spiritual son. Thus began a special relationship with my heavenly Father as well as with all those who, according to Romans 8:15, “cry out: ‘Abba, Father!’”

It's funny how he explained why he lost faith in the Catholic Church, as follows:

The Roman Catholic teaching of apostolic succession claims that there is an unbroken succession of popes in a line extending all the way back to the apostle Peter. (The church misinterprets Jesus’ words that are quoted at Matthew 16:18,19) Catholicism also claims that the pope is infallible in matters of doctrine when he speaks ex cathedra, or in an official capacity. I believed this and thought that if the pope, whom Catholics call Holy Father, is infallible in doctrinal matters and has proclaimed the Trinity to be true, then it must be true. But if he is not infallible, then the doctrine may be false. No wonder that for many Catholics the teaching of apostolic succession is the most important teaching, since the correctness or incorrectness of other Catholic teachings hinges on it!

I wonder how he cannot see that this undercuts his authority to control others.

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Where were the present GB members in 1975 and their ages the

by Lostandfound in

42years have passed since the great 1975 expectation delivered nothing.

blame for the expectations laid at feet of the faithful, 'it's your fault , you believed us so you are responsible for the let down'.

i have asked this previously and repeat the point, where were the current members of the governing body, 43 years ago.

Dreamerdude

The current 7 GB see themselves as being very special indeed. A few years ago they stopped sharing the limelight as the Slave with the growing thousands of remnant on earth. These 7 humans call the shots, and they can even ignore Jesus. But in heaven, as waton points out, they will be part of a much larger group, most of which did not have the privilege of controlling millions of humans. But they still expect to be very special, satisfying their narcissistic desires. For now, they don't want people to remember how wrong the GB was in 1975, and how wrong they were to go along with the charade.

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Where were the present GB members in 1975 and their ages the

by Lostandfound in

42years have passed since the great 1975 expectation delivered nothing.

blame for the expectations laid at feet of the faithful, 'it's your fault , you believed us so you are responsible for the let down'.

i have asked this previously and repeat the point, where were the current members of the governing body, 43 years ago.

Dreamerdude

Yes, the denial of 1975 is incredible. In 1975 the current GB would not have had any expectations of rising as high as they have. The old order was supposed to end.

When the governing body became the Governing Body in 1971, the 18 members were just picked by Knorr and Franz, to add to the 5 wt corporate officers. All of those original 18 are dead. The longest serving member now is Loesch, since 1998. The method for picking new GB members is no more legitimate than it was back then. They basically scout the world to see if there are any deluded men in the branches, COs, or missionaries that claim to have been hearing voices. Then they invite them to HQ, observe them, and see if they will fit the club. Holy Spirit has nothing to do with the process.