Posts by Dreamerdude

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The 26 Prophetic Failures of Watchtower’s Most Heralded Date, 1914

by FatFreek 2005 in

below is a paste of the front of this, my recent, essay.

most jws, and lurkers here, have never really thought of the scope of watchtower's 1914 prophecy.

to them, 1914 was a simple one and done -- a mistake was made and it's been corrected.

Dreamerdude

Nice work. Thanks for helping me clear up some mental confusion. Your statement below struck a chord with me:

"I suspect he even believed the whole thing -- till 1914 came and went."

I wonder if Russell was so completely deluded that it hastened his death when his prophecy did not come true. We all know how in October 1914 he declared the Gentile Times had ended. He was dead by October 1916 at th age of 64. He could have calmed the cognitive dissonance by rationalizing that he forgot to account for the lack of zero year between BC and AD, gaining confidence that he would see the rapture in 1915. He must have been berated countless times for being a false prophet, probably even by people close to him. But he evidently left notes behind for the "The Finished Mystery", claiming to be the Laodicean Mesenger. The mystery is what he was really thinking.

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55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth

by blondie in

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my husband and i had a nice visit with frank toth at grace gough's home.

it was great.

he has written a few things.

Dreamerdude

Thanks for bringing out this gem for those of us who were not around when it came out. And thanks to Frank Toth and Blondie. I wish I had been awake 5 years ago to thank them then.

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Mary Tyler Moore Dec.29, 1936 – Jan.25, 2017

by glenster in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybujst8kozq https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgeojxtqtwc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxovacssahu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/mary_tyler_moore.

Dreamerdude

Mary was great. She played the model wife in 1960s and the model liberated woman in the 1970s. She was my mothers age and, like flipper her death made me think of my mother.

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Sometimes I think the WT is mocking the masses

by NikL in

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as in today's study.... 18 to lie is to say something untruthful.

(as in millions now living will never die, this generation will by no means pass away, allegations of pedophile abuse of children in congregations is apostate lies) however, jehovah wants his people to go beyond not telling outright lies.

he urged the ancient israelites: “you should be holy, because i, jehovah your god, am holy.” then he gave examples of being holy.

Dreamerdude

Yes, WT does sound like they're mocking the masses.

Tepid poultry's comment about the number of times Geoffrey Jackson lied got me thinking. It seemed like he was telling a lie every minute he spoke. He was even lying before he started his testimony, telling his flunkies to tell the RC that he only does translation related work. But by WT definition he told zero lies, because ignorant systemites don't deserve to hear the truth.

Does he care that some his countrymen can go to prison for perjury?

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Can someone explain today's text

by poopie in

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i'm confused..

Dreamerdude

Poopie, as Jeff said, today's text served its purpose of confusing those who try to make sense of the comment. They did a fine job of twisting a nice positive verse.

Romans 12:12 starts off with the words "Rejoice in the hope." But of course they drop these words, and publish the following:

Endure under tribulation. Persevere in prayer.—Rom. 12:12.

Suppose a beloved relative is disfellowshipped. From your study of the Bible, you know how disfellowshipped ones are to be treated. (1 Cor. 5:11; 2 John 10) Yet, upholding the disfellowshipping decision may at times seem very difficult, even impossible. Can you trust that your heavenly Father will give you the fortitude you need to be resolute in abiding by the Bible’s direction about disfellowshipping? Do you see here an opportunity for you to make your relationship with Jehovah stronger by forming a closer bond with him? Does this suggest that we should not have strong love for our relatives? Of course not! But our strongest love should be for Jehovah. (Matt. 22:37, 38) This is actually in the best interests of our relatives, whether they are presently serving Jehovah or not. And if you are particularly troubled over the course of a disfellowshipped relative, pour out your heart to Jehovah in prayer.

So the point they are trying to make is that you should wallow in your victimhood, since your disfellowshipped family member is bringing you such hardship. You need the shun them and be as cruel as you can about it. Then pray that God forgives you for it.

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BETH-SHAN: Images of Rutherford's Bomb Shelter

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

for any who are interested, rutherford's infamous bomb shelter at "beth-shan" has been officially documented by the city of san diego historical resource board.

they have photographs, plans, and an interview with the couple who built their home on the land (5330 le barron rd).

a pdf of the full report can be found here:.

Dreamerdude

Thanks for sharing his. Nice reconstruction!

WT tried to sweep this under the rug, and here it is exposed to the light of day.

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Being a Rude Jerk, It's Awesome!

by Simon in

maybe it's a british thing, but we tend to be polite.

too polite.. even if someone is inconsiderate, we apologize as though we did something wrong.. prime offenders?

people in supermarkets, specifically costco.. they have nice wide isles and yet somehow, for some reason, some idiot will find a way to put their trolley sideways and keep a hand on it while reaching for something, thus blocking the entire isle.. or another favorite ... you're going through the entrance and someone just stops, maybe to answer their phone.. how about you wait in a queue at a checkout for ages and when it's their turn, then they start looking for their purse.. how many times have you thought "idiot" or muttered under your breath?.

Dreamerdude

I'm getting to be a grumpy old man, too. Sometimes it's fun to see the reaction I get when I speak my mind, especially when it has merit.

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The Trump Era commences

by ZAPPA-ESQUE in

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Dreamerdude

SBF, thanks for sharing the Scottish poem. That young lass from NZ gives some great insights on our American politics and our new president.

Since his late mother immigrated from Scotland, it might strike a nostalgic chord if he heard Lorna's reading of her poem.

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Moscow City Court JW Restriction Verdict Today - 16-Jan-2017

by Da.Furious in

on jw.org this is the first paragraph on the 12 january news on russia:.

on january 16, 2017, jehovah’s witnesses in russia will again seek to counter the decade-long tightening of restrictions on their religious freedom.

they will ask the moscow city court to rule that a warning against their national headquarters be rescinded as unlawful and unfounded.

Dreamerdude

I would rather see Russia take the route of the Australian court system. That leaves no room for WT to use it for propaganda. Russia will be the boogeyman at next week's CLAM, but they wouldn't dare try that with the ARC.

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Wife is Awake

by freemindfade in

following the news of stuckinarut2, over the past few months my wife has completely mentally woken up.

i've been meaning to post but haven't had the time.

i saw stuckins post and i figured i'd add my news too.

Dreamerdude

Freemindfade, I am so happy for you! This gives me hope too. I had a minor setback yesterday after an indoctrination session, when I made a small move to help my wife wake up. This gives me a some strength to be patient and persevere.

Thanks for sharing your joy with those who appreciate it.