I came here first, looking for an electronic copy of Shepherd the Flock book. I was burnt out and needed to get off the elder hamster wheel, but knew I needed a copy of the secret rule book in order to protect my family. While I was here I read Simon's and Farkel's stories and could clearly see myself leaving completely. Before that I could not imagine being anything but a zealous witness. Later, the TPT tirade really woke me up and then I dove into jwfacts and read CoC.
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What was the EXACT exJW website you first visited and why EXACTLY did you visit it?
by ILoveTTATT2 ini had two episodes of visiting exjw websites:one time around 2007 when i just googled "jehovah´s witnesses" and dared to look at those sites.
i was scared and i promised myself i would never come back to them.
however, that one didn´t really count.the moment that woke me up was this:i got to know that whitney heichel was a jw and murdered by another jw, because i overheard that conversation in a kingdom hall.i looked up the news and in one of the news comments, there was one where an exjw was complaining that they were hijacking her funeral and they were really trying to downplay the fact that her murderer was a jw... and then it said "visit jwfacts.com"... which i did.and the rest... is history.what exactly got you onto an apostate website when you woke up?
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How many JW´s spend their whole lives being JW´s?
by ILoveTTATT2 inever since i became an exjw activist... i have wondered, how many people can i hope to reach?.
what are the odds that my parents and loved ones will live out the remainder of their lives as jehovah´s witnesses?.
is there a way to calculate the odds that any jw will remain a jw for the rest of their lives?.
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Dreamerdude
From my experience, it's more likely for an adult convert to stay in until they die, probably over half. Born ins and children indoctrinated from a young age less than 30%. I have no hard data to support it, but that's base on the people I know in the US. Lately I've seen some converts leave within a couple of years once the love bombing stops they wake up to the insanity of being a "mature witness".
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Finances
by former2free ini thank all of you for the warm welcome and having read my bio.
i look forward to many discussions and hopefully in the future to be able to be open about it with my wife and kids.
but for now i have a question.
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Dreamerdude
Watchtower accountants and lawyers go to great lengths to keep the finances secret. But there are a few tidbits that have been made public. The following article from Watchtower gives a glimpse into the finances in the 1930s. I suspect large donations and inheritances make up a large chunk of their income. And Watchtower is heavily invested in real estate, holding title to about 40,000 properties, mainly KHs and property left in wills. But good luck finding documentation. We can only speculate on much of their finances, as I have done here. A recent leaked video of their accountants mentions that they are trying to sell 3,000 of their properties.
http://watchtowerdocuments.org/heir-to-coca-cola-fortune-was-a-jehovahs-witness/
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What is the current pulse in the organization with the reductions?
by SouthCentral ini have not seen jehovah’s witnesses in my neighborhood for several years now.
it appears that the cart witnessing has taken over.
congregations are being consolidated and witnesses are being forced to travel a greater distance than before.the burdens/privileges of elders seem to be ever increasing!.
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Dreamerdude
There are still some zealots in my area. Some Pioneer Elders, Pioneer Elder Wives, and my Wife. The majority are social witnesses.
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The Latest Thing Waking People Up...
by pale.emperor insince i woke up and left i've been contacted by others i knew from my youth who've also left the cult.
also people around the world on facebook adding me out of the blue because we have mutual friends and they occasionally ask me stuff or share their story.. what i've noticed in the vast majority of cases, is that people are waking up not because of the arc or doctrine but apathy.
active jws are becoming less and less interested, less and less bothered.
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Dreamerdude
I kind of agree with Trottigy. Tony the turd helped wake me up with his extreme insanity, so I owe him a debt of gratitude. I was born in, so didn't realize how crazy this religion is. It was my normal. By all means, I hope he keeps up the good work of waking up good people. Lett, Loesch and Herd display their own brand of crazy to confirm that it's all messed up.
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Jehovah's Witnesses are fleeing Russia
by James Mixon injw's fleeing russia crackdown, seeking shelter in finland.
today in my local paper under faith, by andrew higgins the new york times..
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Dreamerdude
The org is only required to provide safe passage out for the least of Christ's brothers. Since they got Douglas Mark Sanderson out, they can now sleep in peace after stirring up so much trouble for the poor humble Russians.
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Question about JW finance
by Gorbatchov inwatched the jw finance video's.. they have sold all brooklyn landmarks.
bilions.
they are selling other property maybe up to 3000 units worldwide.. so, there is going something wrong.... there must be a giant money leak.
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There is a serious lack of accountability evident in their discussions. No can can openly criticize poor business decions that have to be approved by the GB. If you’re an accountant for the Pennsylvania Corporstion, you won’t last long unless you’re a yes man.
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Song: The Life Of A Pioneer
by pale.emperor init struck me today how the lyrics to kingdom song 81 "the life of a pioneer" sound almost like a slave song from a plantation or something.
what's also sad is, if you read, you'll notice that they sound not only like slaves, but slaves that are admittedly tired and worn out yet grateful to serve their governing body overseers master to prove their devotion to him.. very sad indeed..
at the start of the day, with the sun yet to rise,.
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Dreamerdude
This looks like a more depressing version of the old song "From House to House" But the new song is especially for those "privileged" to be pioneers and urges them to stay close to their carts.
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My impressions of the cart witnessing
by Sour Grapes ini have watched tons of youtube videos of our exjdub friends approaching and talking to the jdub manikins at their carts as they give a great witness to the world by sipping their hot lattes, updating their social media, chit chatting to each other, and the most important thing of getting their time in, counting their hours.. when the jw's see someone approach with a camera they do several things, they will turn their backs on the person, or look at the person with a frown and act like the person isn't even there.
the witlesses refuse to answer simple, clear, and precise questions.
when i was an elder i loved to get into discussions and debates with trinitarians, priest, clergymen and those who were born again.
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Dreamerdude
I would think that they if they knew they had life saving truths and that they want to help people by teaching in public, they would welcome people who are asking questions and would be glad they are broadcasting the message. YouTube could offer them free advertizing, without the costs of JWTV.
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Publisher ID: leaked video clip 2 of 4
by Fay Dehr in"if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.” ― george orwell, 1984 this video is leaked in interest of human dignity; you deserve to know who is keeping personal data and how they plan to expand their nets.
open to your comments... https://youtu.be/xz1arhu0fg0
[videos 1 to 4 leaked as own posts, with specific comments for each video].
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Dreamerdude
I would be find if they established a program to better track their known pedophiles. But the only example detailed in the videos is that of an 85 year old faithful pioneer sister who would not be required to log in to enter her own data. They would have some one else do that for her. Of course they want to track her so they can make sure they inherit any wealth she might have. When they see her date of birth, they will want to make sure she has her personal copy of donation brochure.