Maybe they can prove that the parousia actually occurred in 1931, when God gave them a new name.This will allow them to return to the old understanding of "this generation", buying them more time.
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Pseudo history in Watchtower today 😂
by Gorbatchov ingorby went to the kh for family reasons today.. and landed right away middle in a pseudo history watchtower article.
just that aspect of the jw belief he is so sensative about.. so 1918 and 1919 are changed with one mark of a pencil.
the argument of change was in the past the argument of the doctrine.
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Women's March on Washington
by azor inmy support is with the marchers in washington and around the country today.
i was raised through my formative years by my mother and sister while my father was out of the picture.
they gave me the compassion i have today.
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I think it's funny how the conservatives brag about their grass roots movements, and triumphing over their elite counterparts by the strength of their convictions, and making their voices known.
When someone else does it, it's useless whining and not facing up to facts.
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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Maybe it's just me, but I think the protest marches in the 60's accomplished a lot. And reading my history, I see many of the same thoughts expressed about the uselessness of those marches.
I'm not saying that misogyny results in the same injustices that racial prejudice does, but anyone who denies that women aren't discriminated against is in another universe.
As seen in the White House Press conference this morning, all Trump cared about was whether he had more people at his inauguration. Obviously the march bothered the new administration.
It kind of makes me sad when people on this site give the old "well I agree that women are discriminated against and blah blah blah blah blah, but what good does all this protest do?"
I think it shows that there are still people who are determined to fight for their rights.
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Women's March on Washington
by azor inmy support is with the marchers in washington and around the country today.
i was raised through my formative years by my mother and sister while my father was out of the picture.
they gave me the compassion i have today.
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I don't dispute that women supposedly have the same rights as men, but if society in general doesn't actually believe it, then we'll keep seeing the subtle discrimination that pervades our societies.
I believe that there is an endemic patriarchal, religious, misogynist culture that exists in the United States that Trump's election brought to light.
I think the protests are an attempt to bring attention to this, to make sure it doesn't morph into actual legislative actions to remove some of the rights that women fought for in the past. In that respect, maybe this could be considered a preemptive protest by women, to make sure the conservatives realize woman have a voice, and won't stand by if they see an erosion of what they worked so hard to achieve.
Despite what he says, Trump has no respect for women in general, and I don't want his attitude to become accepted as "normal".
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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This discussion just proves the wisdom of that old Paul Simon song. "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest". I too fall into that category, tending to disbelieve most of Trump's rhetoric.
However, I respect everyone's right to their opinion. Why don't all just agree to disagree, and move on to more constructive conversations.
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NY Daily News: Gov. Cuomo unveils plan for Child Victims Act that would do away with statute of limitation
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/cuomo-unveils-plan-child-victims-act-article-1.2943920.
cuomo unveils plan for child victims act that would do away with statute of limitation .
cuomo wants to get rid of statute of limitation for child victims.
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Could this explain the newspaper adds that have been appearing in that area, urging Witness victims to come forward?
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Voting At Meetings
by Spoletta inwhy is it that the watchtower finances are cloaked in secrecy, yet when the congregation is ask to approve extra donations to the organization, the voting is in public, so everyone can see who is "loyal" to jehovah.. hmm... i think i just answered my question.
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Why is it that the Watchtower finances are cloaked in secrecy, yet when the congregation is ask to approve extra donations to the Organization, the voting is in public, so everyone can see who is "loyal" to Jehovah.
Hmm... I think I just answered my question.
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January 20, 2017. A day that will live in infamy!
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2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"
by breakfast of champions inmy wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.
pretty telling.. .
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The difference will be that this has a chance of expanding into a much larger pool of victims, coupled with nationwide exposure. The timing of the upcoming ARC report will add fuel to the fire, by showing that even though the Organization hasn't given explicit instruction to hide cases of child abuse, they have relied on Elders to interpret their double meaning instructions in a manner that results in cover-ups of wrongdoing. Geoffrey Jackson's evasive answers on the witness stand will only serve to point out that the GB realizes being completely completely truthful about Watchtower policy will be very damaging to the Organization. Even if no guilt can be established in court, the court of public opinion will not rule in their favor.
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Young People Ask: I’m Attracted to the Same Sex—Does That Mean I’m Gay?
by pale.emperor ineurgh!
more patronizing and uninformed reasoning from the "experts" at bethel.
this time tackling the sensitive subject of those attracted the the same sex.
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My wife and I have been in the Arts for years,(retired opera singers) and have been surrounded by gay people our entire careers, so realize that they're perfectly normal people that just happen to fall into a different spectrum on the gender scale.
My wife has been a witness all her life (I'm not and have never been). She is totally non-homophobic, has nothing bad to say about the LGBT movement, is awake to much of the false doctrine of the Watchtower, and still can't shake some of the indoctrination she's received her entire life.
There are some couples in our congregation in which the husband, to all appearances, displays what one might call the "markers" of a gay male. I've actually heard sisters remark on this. They even come right out and say "of course he's gay!"). This is accepted because they fall into the category of "ones who have resisted their sexual urges". (In the cases of those with children, I'm inclined to believe they are bi-sexual or gender-neutral)
Anyway, my wife, due to her upbringing, and certain scriptures, still feels that homosexual acts are wrong, and that people in that situation should refrain from sex with others of the same sex. She agrees that it's unfair, but that's just the way it is. I have to say, she has never expressed this view in public, and treats our gay friends exactly like any others. We often go over and have drinks with the delightful lesbian couple next door.
So, what can we do if intelligent, kind people, still cling to these beliefs? Despite the recent election in the United States, that revealed we still have a long way to go, I do see a shift (particularly in the younger generation) that gives me hope that eventually people will accept that the Bible is wrong on this issue.
Till then, all we can do is keep pointing out to our children the fallacies of the Watchtower position, promote critical thinking, and let our children make informed decisions about this subject.