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  The Inherent Founding Paganism of the Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Finkelstein in

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  there is an inherent founding association with paganism through and by the founding leader of the watchtower corporation that has to be realized and accepted as such.

  c t russell was once the head editorial writer for the wts.

  right up until his death in 1916. russell had associated himself with freemasons for awhile, giving talks at freemason halls and handing out literature he published at the same time.. he made up more or less a commercialized version of the gospel based upon a new era for mankind which he calculated by measuring the dimensions of the great pyramid of giza.

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  The sad thing is, if not for the coincidence of WW1, we probably wouldn't be here discussing this. The Watchtower would be long gone.
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  Moral High Ground

  by Spoletta in

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  it seems that the other threads about trump's policies are veering off into endless ideological theories about how much better we are than islam.

  does anyone think there is a chance that islam can be changed in the same manner that christianity has over the centuries?

  with the inflow of ideas from western countries into the middle east, will people gradually want to move away from sharia law to something less patriarchal and cruel?

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  Luhe. Totally agree with you. But all concerned countries need to get on board.
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  Moral High Ground

  by Spoletta in

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  it seems that the other threads about trump's policies are veering off into endless ideological theories about how much better we are than islam.

  does anyone think there is a chance that islam can be changed in the same manner that christianity has over the centuries?

  with the inflow of ideas from western countries into the middle east, will people gradually want to move away from sharia law to something less patriarchal and cruel?

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  So, do we just admit defeat? So far, from the majority of the responses, it seems to be the consensus is it's us or them. So do we destroy them first? That will be quite a trick.
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  Moral High Ground

  by Spoletta in

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  it seems that the other threads about trump's policies are veering off into endless ideological theories about how much better we are than islam.

  does anyone think there is a chance that islam can be changed in the same manner that christianity has over the centuries?

  with the inflow of ideas from western countries into the middle east, will people gradually want to move away from sharia law to something less patriarchal and cruel?

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  So we just leave the status quo, keep supporting the Islamic countries that we have an economic interest in, and ignore the rest? If we totally wipe out Isis with Russia's help, that will solve the problem?

  I'm sure Nazi Germany would have been satisfied with all of Europe, the Middle East, the African continent, and any other adjoining country, if we had just stayed out of the war.

  Bombing Islam into submission is impossible, unless you are willing to use nuclear weapons to eradicate every Muslim nation in the world, since statistics seem to show that Shariah law is favored in a large percentage of those countries.

  If you really believe that the majority of Muslims want us converted or dead, then it's already too late. We might as well just enjoy life while we can until the hordes sweep over our borders and kill us.
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  Moral High Ground

  by Spoletta in

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  it seems that the other threads about trump's policies are veering off into endless ideological theories about how much better we are than islam.

  does anyone think there is a chance that islam can be changed in the same manner that christianity has over the centuries?

  with the inflow of ideas from western countries into the middle east, will people gradually want to move away from sharia law to something less patriarchal and cruel?

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  It seems that the other threads about Trump's policies are veering off into endless ideological theories about how much better we are than Islam. Does anyone think there is a chance that Islam can be changed in the same manner that Christianity has over the centuries? With the inflow of ideas from Western countries into the Middle East, will people gradually want to move away from Sharia law to something less patriarchal and cruel?

  God knows, Christianity is still not a paragon of virtue, but it is certainly more tolerant than it used to be, or at least its intolerance is held in check by our laws.

  The Arab Spring seemed to signal a desire for change in the Middle East. Unfortunately, those in power usually have superior weapons and less scruples than those wanting change. Look at Assad in Syria.

  We can take the moral high ground and point out how our ideals are superior to other's, but isn't it also true that our actions in the past helped to contribute to the unrest?

  Is it really moral high ground to point to other's faults, and crow about how much better we are?

  If we don't hold governments like Saudi Arabia's and Syria's and Russia's accountable for their actions with nothing more than words, then we have no moral high ground to stand on.

  Sorry for the rant, but I just have to blow off a little steam.
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  Endure or Enjoy??

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  have we ever noticed how witnesses are constantly being told that life is something that needs to be "endured", rather that "enjoyed"?.

  life is always so tough, so hard, so difficult in "these last days".

  "persecution and trials abound".

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  When all the JWs are forced to endure equally, I might go along with it. It sickens me to see the hypocrisy of the GB and more well off Witnesses.
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  1 day Assembly Woodburn, Oregon 2/11/2017

  by Spoletta in

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  attendance: 1,2037 cost: approximately $12,000 baptised: 2 born ins.

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  Yes, the cost would go down considerably if they just charged $10 dollars a head, because the large, underemployed families just wouldn't show up. And for sure, there wouldn't be any "interested ones".
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  I would like to rant about how I get really upset when I get some weak invitation back to the cult.

  by schnell in

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  my mother wanted me to know that the co gave a talk that kinda-sorta reprimanded an elder in her hall.

  he is not the reason i left at all, and this does not address anything to do with me or our family.. my mother-in-law sent me texts which i ignored and now she has sent a picture to my wife on facebook just for me, and it's a prodigal son meme that says, "you see the signs, come back it's not too late".. yeah, it's not too late to accept a global flood in 2370 bce, or that man was created in 4026 bce from a golem spell, or that an us-and-them cult mentality is at all healthy or loving, or that religion is going to be banned by the un, or that i should expect anyone else at the door to accept these stupid ideas in the information age.. what am i supposed to say?

  i usually just ignore them, but before i do that, i see that shit and i storm into this weird internalized rage where i start writing a response and deleting it.

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  Let's face it, if God were really serious about saving the world, he would perform real miracles and make sure we knew he was the one doing them. If we are such weak, easily swayed, flawed individuals , how can we be expected to believe in something so intangible?

  All the signs that JWs tout as indicators that the world is ending have always been with us, so as long as the little boy keeps crying "wolf",I refuse to believe him.
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  1 day Assembly Woodburn, Oregon 2/11/2017

  by Spoletta in

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  attendance: 1,2037 cost: approximately $12,000 baptised: 2 born ins.

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  Attendance: 1,2037 Cost: Approximately $12,000 Baptised: 2 Born ins
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  84 Lumber Commercial

  by azor in

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  just saw this commercial and was very impressed.

  hoping more companies start doing the same.

  most of us are immigrants.

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  freemindfade. As usual, I can find as many sources to debunk the high cost of immigrants as to confirm them. However, I tend to discount sources like Fox, Breitbart and Trump himself. We can argue this all day. Ask the farmers in California how much money it will cost them if their labor supply is cut off. They will tell you that they can only survive by making the illegals here already legal, and bringing in more from other countries, as most Americans will not do the work under the conditions and wages currently offered. I'm sure you can find some source to contradict this, so I claim stalemate.