Posts by Spoletta

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undeserved kindness vs. grace

by nowwhat? in

undeserved kindness means- you puny humans are irredemable and worthless, but because i am such a benevolent and magnanimous god.

i give you a way for salvation.

but you better keep working day in and day out for the rest of your miserable lives and perhaps i'll save you on my day of wrath.

Spoletta

"I love you so much that I'm giving you this wonderful gift that you will never be worthy of."

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Over 25 years without a "north king" now.

by The freewheeling in

something jehovah's witnesses do not talk about so much these days is the "north and south kings" of the book of daniel, and the reason is obvious.

this is one of many failed prophecies of the governing body.. they have not been able to present any new north king since the soviet collapse in december 1991, over 25 years ago now!

and this at a time when they are "so close to the end.

Spoletta

With Trump in office, I wouldn't count out Russia as King of the North.

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Why the need for 144000 imperfect humans to Rule with Christ Jesus for 1000 years ? Is he incapable of ruling by himself ?

by smiddy in

does this make any sense whatsoever ?

isnt jesus christ the king ?why the need for 144000 king priests to help him ?.

is he not up for the job?

Spoletta

Jesus needs Anthony Morris's insight on dealing with tight pants and pedophile homosexuals.

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Australian Royal Commision round 2

by no-zombie in

round two of the australian royal commission into institutional child abuse has all the makings of a very damaging event for the organization, if what is going to happen to the catholic church is any indication.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-03/royal-commission-most-catholic-archbishops-to-give-evidence/8240208.

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Spoletta

I'm looking forward to the Org critcizing the Catholic church for admitting their guilt.

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1914 to be abandoned around 2016

by Alfred in

the other day i was doing some research about "1914" for a friend on my wt cd library (spanish) and i found it quite interesting that the number of times "1914" is mentioned in the watchtower magazine during the previous 3 decades has been dropping exponentially as follows.... 1980-1989: mentioned 854 times.

1990-1999: mentioned 492 times.

2000-2009: mentioned 222 times.

Spoletta

Without the coincidence of 1914 and WW1, I can't see any way they can claim to be God's channel. It's the only time that a prediction sort of came true that they could tie into the whole theme of being chosen by Jehovah. Of course, this would also destroy the whole 607 timeline, further laying bare the whole rickety construct. They'd be left with the argument that they were chosen because they say so. Not very convincing.

No, I definitely think they have to keep 1914 and repackage it to fit some new light that also includes the overlapping generation. Maybe even more refinement on the old faithfull and discreet slave bit. Who knows?

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Trump vows to repeal limits on churches

by StarTrekAngel in

i know the jws would not necessarily take advantage of this (or may be they would) but certainly, they will spin it off somehow.. https://www.yahoo.com/news/religious-looking-trump-protections-081209487--politics.html.

Spoletta

It would be interesting to see what happens when mosques begin pushing their political agendas.

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The handling of child abuse allegations

by Landy in

there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

Spoletta

When a crime has been alleged, it must be reported to the police. The victim and the elders have no idea whether someone has abused in the past, or will abuse in the future. The authorities are equipped to deal with this.

By not reporting, the people involved become accomplices in the crime, and should be held responsible for any damage resulting from their inaction.

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Don't Feel Like I Have Much In Common With Anyone I Know

by JW_Rogue in

went out with my family and all they talked about was how terrible trump is and how he'll surely bring the great tribulation.

then they started going on about people supporting trump showing that america is becoming racist.

i don't consider myself a trump supporter but i disagreed that that was the reason why he won.

Spoletta

Given that much of the Bible is extremely right- wing, it's not surprising that many lean that way. The love and empathy shown by Christ is only given lip service, and even then, only to ones like themselves.

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The popularity fad of home-schooling!

by stuckinarut2 in

i know this has been discussed over the years on this forum, but i just had to post this again!.

it seems that the popular fad amongst the "spiritual" ones in the local circuits is to home school their children instead of sending them to school.. now to clarify, we are in a very nice area of semi rural australia .

one with very community minded, and strong family values.

Spoletta

The only articulate, socially adjusted adolescent in my congregation came into the Organization at the age of 17. The homeschooled children are awkward around strangers and barely literate. They only excell in video games.

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Is your "diet" a balanced one??

by stuckinarut2 in

an illustration came to mind.

we know that the society often talks about the need to "eat healthy spiritual food".

but imagine that we are speaking of literal food.

Spoletta

Ray Franz gave an example (I'm paraphrasing this) of a mother feeding her children tainted food, then when they get ill, saying they shouldn't have eaten it. I think that's the gist of it. Does anyone have the exact quote?