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  Let it RAINN

  by Seven in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  rape, abuse, & incest national network .

  1-800-hope rainnoperates the nation's only toll-free hotline for survivors of sexual assault.

  the hotline is operated 24 hours a day, and routes each call instantaneously to the rape crisis center nearest the caller by reading the area code and prefix of the caller's telephone number.

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  stephenw20

  Zazu<

  could you post the link you found your info on here at this board?

  Thank you

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  Without a doubt! ;-)

  by Focus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  "it is not to be presumed that the prince of darkness will suffer the binding influences of the new prince, which are now at work to fetter his power without a struggle.

  his rage will spend its force in distressing mankind in various ways, for he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

  " 1884wtwr 03 01 07. well, that is as it may be, but we can now say without a doubt that this "short time" which the watchtower taught back in 1884 was nearly over is still 117 years later - taught by the watchtower to be in progress... "all know something of the failure of brother miller's expectations.

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  stephenw20

  Focus,

  very worthwhile info.........

  it occurred to me the following:

  if it was presented to present witnesses ....door to door....we would get many a slammed door in our face, we may even witness behavior of a vulgar nature, for expressing our RELIGIOUS freedom.

  quite ironic when the shoe is on the other foot!

  So do they walk the walk or just talk the talk.........

  is there any feeling at all ......that most of the present day members of the JWS are not clear on the current beliefs and what said beliefs entail?
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  CM Message of the Day

  by stephenw20 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  'it doesn't matter what you choose, what matters is the energy with which you choose it.'.

  4/19/2001

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  'It doesn't matter what you choose, what matters is the energy with which you choose it.'
  4/19/2001
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  Missouri Court Case

  by outnfree in

  1. social
  2. current

  i thought, perhaps, that the link to the court case in missouri where a brother allegedly confessed the rape of his two stepdaughters to two elders in the cabool, missouri se congregation, and where the said elders are refusing to testify due to "minister-communicant confidentiality" should be posted here: http://www.ky3.com.

  (coming on the heels of the memorial non-partaking for the vast majority of witnesses and friends "minister-communicant" seems a rather out of place term, doesn't it?).

  outnfree

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  stephenw20

  perhaps , it may be a good idea

  to send a note of interest and support to

  Ms Laurie Patton.

  She may benefit from background information such as this line from the letter to elders.

  TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS July 1, 1989 Page 3
  B. Child Abuse
  Many states have child abuse reporting laws. When elders receive reports of physical or sexual abuse of a child, they should contact the Society's Legal Department immediately. Victims of such abuse need to be protected from further danger.-See "If the Worst Should Happen," AYl.Qk..e.1- January 22, 1985, page 8.
  C. Search Warrants and Subpoenas
  1. A search warrant is a court order authorizing the police to search premises to locate evidence that may be used in a criminal prosecution. No elder should ever consent to the search of a Kingdom Hall or any other place where confidential records are stored. How- ever, armed with a search warrant the police do not need consent and may even use force to accomplish their task. Likely before obtaining a search warrant, the police or other governmental officials will
  make inquiries regarding confidential records, make request to obtain the records, or indicate that they will seek a search warrant if the elder(s) involved does not cooperate. In any such situation, the Society's Legal Department should be called immediately.
  At any time an elder is confronted with a search warrant (whether given advance notice or not) , the elder should first ask to read the warrant. After reading it he should ask if he can call for legal guidance and then call the Society's Legal Department. If for some reason the Legal Department cannot be contacted, the elders involved should make every effort to obtain the assistance of a local attorney for the purpose of protecting the confide ; lity of the records. It may be impossible to stop determined officers from conducting the search authorized by the warrant. Conscientious elders will want to do all they reasonably and peaceably can to preserve the confidentiality of the congregation in harmony with the principle set out in Acts 5:29.

  2. Subpoenas are demands for records or for the appearance or for the appearance of an individual at a trial or deposition to give testimony. Subpoenas may be issued by a court or in some cases by a governmental agency or an attorney. If an elder receives a subpoena, he should contact the Society's Legal Department immediately. Never turn over records, notes, documents, or reveal any confidential matter sought by subpoena without receiving direction from the Legal Department.
  
  D. Crimes and Criminal Investigations
  In some cases the elders will form judicial committees to handle alleged wrongdoing that also could constitute a violation of Caesar's criminal laws (e.g., theft, assault, etc.). Generally, a secular investigation into a matter that is a concern to the congregation should not delay conducting a judicial hearing. To avoid entanglement with the secular authorities who may be investigating the same matter, the strictest confidentiality (even of the fact that there is a committee) must be maintained.

  While this is a local case, the call I am sure was made in compliance with this letter. If this is true, the WTBTS , should be on trial as they ACTED as legal counsel to the elders.
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  A modest proposal: A national Do Not Call list

  by Skimmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greetings to the readership:.

  there have been reports over time that each kingdom hall keeps a "do not call" list of addresses.

  these are addresses in the congregation's territory where, for one reason or another, the jws in the field service are advised not to make calls.

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  Skimmer, again mysuggestion is to write them a letter or ask for aletter fromthem to acknowlege your call.

  The letter willhave the fax # on it..........

  I have a fax # for patterson, but it is the Charitable Planning office.
  I spose one could call the CP office and ask if the # is the same... you might just get the DNC office # this way.

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  A modest proposal: A national Do Not Call list

  by Skimmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greetings to the readership:.

  there have been reports over time that each kingdom hall keeps a "do not call" list of addresses.

  these are addresses in the congregation's territory where, for one reason or another, the jws in the field service are advised not to make calls.

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  Skimmer,

  if it comes to #5 I volunteer.....it would be an honor to deliver such GOOD NEWS!!

  More investigation may be necessary, but I see thay have little choice but to acknowlege it,since they already do.
  It may be appropriate though to in writing , send them a letter and get a confirmation , in writing for them to establish this on paper precedent
  One from each state.

  Mustang may have a thought here.but why hide this......just write them a letter.
  there are 3000 visitors a day here lets take a poll and see what support is there.

  getty up!
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  A modest proposal: A national Do Not Call list

  by Skimmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greetings to the readership:.

  there have been reports over time that each kingdom hall keeps a "do not call" list of addresses.

  these are addresses in the congregation's territory where, for one reason or another, the jws in the field service are advised not to make calls.

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  FYI

  Just called the Media office. They put you to a switch board which sends you to THE OFFICE that handles such matters..which is in Paterson.

  When I got to the fella, he indicated, that you just have to give him your name, and then THEY can write the congregation. or you can write yourself to the office in Patterson.

  Funny thing is.. I was asked which state I was calling from. at the Patterson switchboard,is there different rules for each?

  THe other option he said, was to contact a local representative of the JWS and just let them know. Very cordial very matter of fact

  At present THIS office(DNC) does not accept Email

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  A modest proposal: A national Do Not Call list

  by Skimmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greetings to the readership:.

  there have been reports over time that each kingdom hall keeps a "do not call" list of addresses.

  these are addresses in the congregation's territory where, for one reason or another, the jws in the field service are advised not to make calls.

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  Skimmer if it gets too complicated, peole willbe more hesitant. if they have to give any information ....same would be true.

  Does not one have to ascertain , that the WTBTS will acknowlege this first. some of their webpages indicate they dont accept email.

  the first question and again in the spirit of freedom of religion should be , what is their policy on DNC. Is their one written

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  JWs vs. Baha'i

  by LDH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  founded in the mid-nineteenth century, the bahai faith has spread to some 232 nations and territories and is now accepted by more than five million people.. the word bahai means follower of bahaullah.

  his name in arabic means the glory of god.

  his followers believe that bahaullah's writings are an expression of the holy spirit and are the word of god.

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  stephenw20

  Crossroads, we think to much alike.....

  But let s respect EVERYONES RIGHT TO freedom to be happy...and freedom of thread continuity and freedom of expression.......

  hey wait a minute!

  I 'm done .............happy.
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  3 Gods Equal 1 God?

  by 7robert7 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as i sat back thinking of some of the discussions i've had with witnesses over the years, one always stands out.

  the issue of the trinity teaching, whereby father(jehovah), son(jesus), and holy spirit when combined equal one god.

  a witness friend from work once said that it was an impossability, and was beyond human understanding.. i asked him what he thought we believed about the trinity, to which he responded with a math lesson.. 1 jehovah god + 1 jesus god + 1 holy spirit god = 3 gods, he went on to state that 1 + 1 + 1 can never equal 1 god, it always equals 3. to which i added a little math lesson i learned as a child.. 1 jehovah god x 1 jesus god x 1 holy spirit god can equal 1 almighty god.

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  all of a sudden I feel like Chief Brody in Jaws...figuring out how to tie that knot.......hey i got it

  1+1+1=3x3.14 = 9.42.........

  well it has to be a circle.....look at the planets!