Posts by stocwach

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Bible Error: The Visit to the Tomb

by JosephAlward in

the following two accounts of the morning visit by the women to anoint jesus body are contradictory.

according to mark, the women wondered how they would remove the stone covering the tomb, but they found that it had already been rolled away.

matthew, however, says that when the women went to the tomb, there was an earthquake, and an angel came down from heaven, went to the tomb, and rolled the stone back.

stocwach

SixofNine:

So I guess what you are saying is you would rather go to Las Vegas and suggest to the casinos they come up with a game that allows you to place a wager on the house or the player:

Minimum bet $ 5.00

If you bet on the house, and win, you become financially independent for life. If you lose, you forfeit your $5.00.

If you bet on yourself, and win, you win $ 5.00, and now have $ 10.

If you lose, you not only forfeit your $5.00, but are stripped of every asset to your name and destined to live in poverty for the rest of your life.

Now judging by your last post, you've already told me you would bet on yourself. I think I've made it clear, all place my wager on the house.

Now forum, who is the better gambler in your opinion?

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Bible Error: The Visit to the Tomb

by JosephAlward in

the following two accounts of the morning visit by the women to anoint jesus body are contradictory.

according to mark, the women wondered how they would remove the stone covering the tomb, but they found that it had already been rolled away.

matthew, however, says that when the women went to the tomb, there was an earthquake, and an angel came down from heaven, went to the tomb, and rolled the stone back.

stocwach

Here's some more evidence for you:

Everyone knows about the benefits of prayer. And you've heard numerous testimonials of Christians who have prayed and received this or that in terms of spiritual fulfillment.

Now I will be the first to agree with anyone who says that doesn't prove anything. It can simply be attributed to a "placebo effect", which cannot be disproved, so therefore the benefits of prayer by an individual can be considerably discounted.

JOSEPH, HOW THOUGH DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THE NUMEROUS STUDIES ON THE BENEFICIAL EFFECTS OF PRAYER BY INDEPENDENT GROUPS TOWARD OTHER GROUPS WHO ARE COMPRISED OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SERIOUS MEDICAL CONDITIONS? Research has shown that major health improvements have been found almost immediately in a group that was prayed for by an independent group (unbeknowst to the group with the medical condition) versus a control group with the same set of medical conditions but was not prayed for, that showed no improvement whatsoever!!!!!!!!!!

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Bible Error: The Visit to the Tomb

by JosephAlward in

the following two accounts of the morning visit by the women to anoint jesus body are contradictory.

according to mark, the women wondered how they would remove the stone covering the tomb, but they found that it had already been rolled away.

matthew, however, says that when the women went to the tomb, there was an earthquake, and an angel came down from heaven, went to the tomb, and rolled the stone back.

stocwach

Joseph,

I have a question for you. Look at your life as a wager. Then read the book of Revelation which says God rewards faithful believers with eternal happiness and those who reject God suffer enternal torment after death. If you bet against God, and the revelation proves to be true, you are a big loser in eternal tormet. If you are right, what do you gain? No torment, but you still cease to exist. Now if you bet on God, and the revelation proves to be an illusion, you've lost nothing, since you will cease to exist at death anyway. However, if you are right, you are the biggest lottery winner of all time, with eternal life. Why then do you chose to not bet on God?

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Bible Error: The Visit to the Tomb

by JosephAlward in

the following two accounts of the morning visit by the women to anoint jesus body are contradictory.

according to mark, the women wondered how they would remove the stone covering the tomb, but they found that it had already been rolled away.

matthew, however, says that when the women went to the tomb, there was an earthquake, and an angel came down from heaven, went to the tomb, and rolled the stone back.

stocwach

SIXOFNINE:

Joseph asked for evidence of God. What better evidence of God than scientific evidence?

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Bible Error: The Visit to the Tomb

by JosephAlward in

the following two accounts of the morning visit by the women to anoint jesus body are contradictory.

according to mark, the women wondered how they would remove the stone covering the tomb, but they found that it had already been rolled away.

matthew, however, says that when the women went to the tomb, there was an earthquake, and an angel came down from heaven, went to the tomb, and rolled the stone back.

stocwach

Now your argument to my first post could be to assume that there are an infinite number of other universes that we don't know about, and therefore the fact that ours hit on the right combo of phyics laws to produce life proves that life just happened by random chance, and had nothing to do with a Creator.

This theory can be discounted by the ludicrous idea of a giving a monkey a typewriter and assuming that randomly one day he would eventually type the works of Shakespeare (considerably less complex than the makings of the universe), given the opportunity of an infinite amount of days to complete the task. What if one day, among myriads of days, and constant random alphabetical gibberish, not only complex words were achieved, but a 4 line verse from "Macbeth" appeared. One would consider this a miracle. However, here is the catch: It doesn't matter if there are an infinite amount of days! The problem each day is the same! It's a "Groundhog Day" situation, if you ever saw the movie. The same set of problems repeats itself infinitely! Therefore, the mathematical possibility that the monkey will type the complete works of Shakespeare or anything of meaniful order is not one a very large number, but rather zero!!!!!!!! Randomness does not engender order on any appreciable scale, and unfortunately for you and your atheistic thinking, as well as scientists, is simply an assumption, but not a conclusion.

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Bible Error: The Visit to the Tomb

by JosephAlward in

the following two accounts of the morning visit by the women to anoint jesus body are contradictory.

according to mark, the women wondered how they would remove the stone covering the tomb, but they found that it had already been rolled away.

matthew, however, says that when the women went to the tomb, there was an earthquake, and an angel came down from heaven, went to the tomb, and rolled the stone back.

stocwach

Joseph,

Have you ever heard of the "anthropic principle"? It basically says that all the seemingly arbitrary and unrelated constants in physics have one strange thing in common-these are PRECISELY the values you need if you want to have a universe capable of producing life. In other words, all the myriads of physics were fined-tuned from the very beginning of the universe for the creation of man-that the universe we inhabit appeared to be expressly designed for the emergence of human beings.

As an example, no physicist today can explain why the values of the so-called fundamental constants-such as gravitational force of electromagnetic force-were as they were. One simply accepts them.

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UN INFO FLYERS ON JW WINDSHIELDS?

by stocwach in

jw
friends

anyone thought of this idea for disseminating un issue to the rank and file?

in my opinion it would be pretty easy to print up a bunch of one-pagers from one of the websites that put all the info in a concise format, and distribute them at night during the "service meeting" in the kingdom hall parking lot.. what do ya guys/gals think?

stocwach

Anyone thought of this idea for disseminating UN issue to the rank and file? In my opinion it would be pretty easy to print up a bunch of one-pagers from one of the websites that put all the info in a concise format, and distribute them at night during the "service meeting" in the Kingdom Hall parking lot.

What do ya guys/gals think?

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How 'bout a UN flyer campaign on windshields?

by stocwach in

it's a travesty that the average rank and file jw has no clue about the un issue.

what if we print a single page from one of the web sites that has all the pertinent info on one page, and then distribute them at night on all the cars at the kingdom hall?

this is bound to catch the attention of more than one or two in my opinion.

stocwach

It's a travesty that the average rank and file JW has no clue about the UN issue. What if we print a single page from one of the web sites that has all the pertinent info on one page, and then distribute them at night on all the cars at the Kingdom Hall? This is bound to catch the attention of more than one or two in my opinion. Thoughts?

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WATCHTOWER QUOTE RE UN NGOs NAILS THEIR OWN ASSES!

by MadApostate in

i'm pulling this out of the original thread since people are blowing by this as if it were nothing.. the blue portion appears on page 17 of the june 1, 1991 watchtower, in the article titled their refuge--a lie!, which criticizes "christendom" for seeking help from the united nations rather than jah.. .

"prayer and meditation at the united nations"-- robert muller .

"prayer, meditation and spirituality at the un are fascinating subjects.

stocwach

How ironic also that the Watchtower has to make a comment that religious leaders have even visited the UN facilities, as if it is a disgusting act. Of course then we all know that the Society has no problem making the UN part of the Bethel tour!! (Maybe any JW "religious leaders" are prohibited from visiting, which then makes it ok!) LOL

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Alpha Meetings! What are they? Who are they?

by freeborg in

jw
friends

i was wondering if any one has ever been involved or are involved in a group known as alpha.

they provide a 15 meeting course on their beliefs.

these groups and others like them have made me wonder if we all agree that wts is corrupt and harmfull what makes another group with strong beliefs and convictions right, are we not falling into the same trap as when we were witnesses if we get involved in any of the hundreds of sects, cults, denominations that are out there.. http://alphacourse.org/about/whatis.htm

stocwach

I'm sorry, but the majority of you have Alpha all wrong. I was a dub from age 6 to 17 (am now 34), and over the last 3 years have been attending a local Vineyard church (which is Christian based non denominational). Alpha is basically a back to basics introduction to Christianity and is offered by numerous churches nationwide. It is recommended for those new to Christianity, or any Christian who just wants to brush up on the basics of Christianity.