Posts by Sunchild

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Apostates

by Sue in

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i turned to this website looking for encouragement.. i thought it was a genuine jw chat site.. what do i find?.

most who write here, don't belive in the jw teachings.. most are complainers and apostate.. does any one know were i can find a genuine jw site?

Sunchild

Sunchild: are you having a nightmare or on drugs?

Now, this is unnecessarily rude. You really should apologize for your bad manners. To answer your question, though, no, I'm not on drugs, but I am definitely high on life -- something I could never say in honesty while I was a JW. And I haven't had a nightmare since I left them, either. But I am a sci-fi writer (or at least I'm trying to be), which could qualify me for being certifiably insane in 48 states.

But that aside, you haven't addressed a single thing I've said. In a nutshell, I proposed that the reaction you've received here didn't quite live up to the negative hype you've heard about so-called apostates, and that you're probably a bit confused and/or disappointed by this. I also said that the reason you're being so defensive is because you want to keep from liking us. Be honest. Am I close, at least?

The reason I find you so interesting is because reading the things you post is like looking back on my own past. About five years ago, I really wasn't that different from you.

*Rochelle.

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"Most men complacently accept 'knowledge' as 'truth'. They are sheep, ruled by fear."
-- Sydney Losstarot, "Vagrant Story."

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Apostates

by Sue in

jw
friends

i turned to this website looking for encouragement.. i thought it was a genuine jw chat site.. what do i find?.

most who write here, don't belive in the jw teachings.. most are complainers and apostate.. does any one know were i can find a genuine jw site?

Sunchild

Sue, I think you are getting a little hysterical on us.

Oh, don't worry about it. I think Sue's just having a minor episode of cognitive dissonance. I'm sure we've all been there. She came here expecting to be ripped apart by a bunch of evil, nasty people, and when it didn't happen, she had to reach for SOMETHING to make "reality" mesh with the picture in her head. So, even the mildest quips or quibbles become full-fledged "attacks" in line with the vicious persecution she expected to receive from Satan's children.

Been there, seen it, bought the t-shirt. Maybe that's why I like this girl.

*Rochelle.

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"Most men complacently accept 'knowledge' as 'truth'. They are sheep, ruled by fear."
-- Sydney Losstarot, "Vagrant Story."

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Apostates

by Sue in

jw
friends

i turned to this website looking for encouragement.. i thought it was a genuine jw chat site.. what do i find?.

most who write here, don't belive in the jw teachings.. most are complainers and apostate.. does any one know were i can find a genuine jw site?

Sunchild

Sue, going with the odds, you're still following this thread. And since I've got some time to kill, I'll try to turn this into something insightful and/or thought-provoking. My attempts at this don't always work, so consider yourself forewarned.

Any-who, I think it's kind of interesting that the first thing you did was slam the people who post here, which would include myself. Interestingly enough, the responses you've received so far are fairly devoid of vitriol, and some are downright pleasant. But still, you leave (at least in theory) with this comment:

I know the very fact that you who do not belive in the teachings of JW's and who keep attacking those who do, know yourselves you are in the wrong. But like your master, you cannot give up

...and this one:

Thank you all for your loving comments. I now quit bothering you apostates.

I find this a little confusing. I don't find the word "apostate" personally offensive, but I do know that in the JW mind, it's akin to calling someone the spawn of Satan. <g> Oh, wait, that's what you called us in the post above the previous one.

What kind of reaction were you expecting from us "apostates," anyway? Cries of, "Get lost, JW scum!" perhaps? Some sort of cyber-lynching? Or maybe the pronouncement of an e-e-e-vil curse upon God's people? (I'm the resident Witch, BTW, but I really don't do that sort of thing. Mostly, I just read tarot cards and do a few rituals for the sake of my own spiritual expression.) Judging from your defensive behavior, I'd almost think that you were trying to keep from liking us!

Later,

*Rochelle.

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"Most men complacently accept 'knowledge' as 'truth'. They are sheep, ruled by fear."
-- Sydney Losstarot, "Vagrant Story."

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Apostates

by Sue in

jw
friends

i turned to this website looking for encouragement.. i thought it was a genuine jw chat site.. what do i find?.

most who write here, don't belive in the jw teachings.. most are complainers and apostate.. does any one know were i can find a genuine jw site?

Sunchild

Hi, Sue! Try this place:
http://www.witnessesonline.com

I'm sure you'll find exactly what you're looking for. And if you ever grow tired of it, the door to this board is always open.

*Rochelle.
(Edited in an attempt to make the link clickable.)
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"Most men complacently accept 'knowledge' as 'truth'. They are sheep, ruled by fear."
-- Sydney Losstarot, "Vagrant Story."

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When do you move on?

by OrangeBlossom in

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i was talking to my brother last night on the phone who walked away from the borg in the mid 1980's.

i asked him if he ever checked out any ex-witness sites.

his reply was basically, no, since he's moved on past his time served in the borg.

Sunchild

Message boards like this were a recovery tool for me when I first left not quite a year-and-a-half ago. I've gotten over being mad at the Tower (and mad at myself for my youthful indiscretion of joining them) and rediscovered myself, I think, but I still like to check in here every now and then. Why? Well, for one, there's an outside chance that someone here could be helped by my... ah... unique perspective on things. <g> But more than that, I'm interested in the people who frequent here. Some I like; some I don't. But the range of personalities found here is pretty fascinating.

I also like to keep up to date on certain policies, and I hope to see old friends here sooner or later. It would be nice if my former best friend could speak to me again.

*Rochelle.

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"Most men complacently accept 'knowledge' as 'truth'. They are sheep, ruled by fear."
-- Sydney Losstarot, "Vagrant Story."

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Incredible LOVE

by Norm in

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the watchtower society is out with a window dressing article on its web page these days.

it has the title: .

love of neighbor.

Sunchild

Tina,

I always said Id rather be dead than live in a new system with these folks lol.

*snicker* I know the feeling. To me, living in "paradise" with the JWs (or any other Fundy group) sounds about as appealing as being stuck on the Small World ride for every minute of every day and every night for the rest of my natural life, but with no hope of death to bring me relief.

(For the uninitiated, the Small World ride is an attraction at Disney World that involves riding through a candy-and-bubblegum world of cute, smiling, cheerful animatronic dolls that sing the song "It's a Small World" the entire time. It's actually a lot like visiting a Kingdom Hall.)

*Rochelle.

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"Most men complacently accept 'knowledge' as 'truth'. They are sheep, ruled by fear."
-- Sydney Losstarot, "Vagrant Story."

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Dont try this At home, Folks!

by Englishman in

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a very close acupuncturist friend of mine told me that there is an instant cure for anyone who catches that nasy summer fungal infection known as "athletes foot".. basically, when you take your shower, you pee on your infected feet and the cure is almost instant.. i, however, now intend to get some antiseptic cream from the chemist, just as soon as i have finished screaming.. englishman.. ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

Sunchild

Hey, Venice, if you're not interested in Friday... er, Yadirf or Englishman, y'know, I'm sort of availab.... <smacks self upside the head> Sorry about that. Please ignore. But I just had to tell you sooner or later that you are a MAJOR babe!

*Rochelle, "glad to get that off her chest" class.

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"Most men complacently accept 'knowledge' as 'truth'. They are sheep, ruled by fear."
-- Sydney Losstarot, "Vagrant Story."

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An Example of JW Need2Get a Life

by JT in

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we have often times seen jw come here and say:.

why don't you guys get a life- well here is a perfect example of a group of folks who need to get a life.

while many of us left wt and have gone on to college and gotten jobs where we are able to provide these things for ourselves and our famiies poor jw are sitting around waiting to cash in thier new system coupon in order to get these things.

Sunchild

YK,

I believe you when you say you're not looking for a title. But I do think you need to feel special. That's not a crime; everyone does sometimes, especially those born with the mixed blessing of a creative streak. (Yes, I include myself in this.)

I can tell by the way you write and even what you've said right here about your love of landscaping and gardening that you're actually a very creative person, but somewhere along the way, that creativity became overwhelemed by JW influence and isn't really yours anymore. The only way you have to express it, it seems, is through your pronouncements of doom and such. I also wonder if your sense of being annointed and your visits here might stem from that natural need to feel special which, in creative types especially, can sometimes reach epic proportions. *g* I'm not passing judgement on you here. I'm just hazarding an educated guess.

I know I could be completely off base, but just the same, I wonder. Is there anything creative that, in your secret heart and wildest dreams, you've ever thought of doing? Writing a mystery novel, perhaps, or a hit screenplay? I'm not trying to be your friend or talk you out of your beliefs, if that's what you're thinking. I just like playing amateur shrink, and I'm curious about you.

*Rochelle.

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"Most men complacently accept 'knowledge' as 'truth'. They are sheep, ruled by fear."
-- Sydney Losstarot, "Vagrant Story."

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Issue Facing Apostates

by Mishnah in

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most of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.

even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.

so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.

Sunchild

ook at what you are saying here, and think about it. You are calling God evil, because He takes due vengeance out on those who reject Him, just as He will in the end times.

I know this might be a little off the beaten path (and it probably sounds a little rude, for which I apologize), but I have to ask.

When I read things like this, all that I can see is fear, insecurity, and some serious psychological issues on the part of this vengeful God. He sounds very mean and scary, and I'd rather not get anywhere near him.

I don't go around killing people just because they made me mad. My parents didn't torture and murder me, no matter how many times I didn't clean my room, or even when I kinda-sorta started a small kitchen fire when I was little. They found other ways to get their point across. And in the case of this deity, all he'd have to do is show up to make people believe in him. Why can't he just do that instead of resorting to mindless slaughter?

*Rochelle, genuinely curious.

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"Most men complacently accept 'knowledge' as 'truth'. They are sheep, ruled by fear."
-- Sydney Losstarot, "Vagrant Story."

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Haven't you got anything better to do?

by tedcobb in

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obviously a lot of you are no longer jws, for whatever reason, but surely you can find something better to do with your time.

you seem to spend a lot of your spare time slating the society or picking holes in your former beliefs.. if you've left and think what jws believe is a load of rubbish, thtat fine, you cn do what you want, but why you have to go on about it?

if being a jw means so little to you, why not just leave it behind and get on with your life?

Sunchild

So until then, if you don't want to be part of Jehovah's organisation so much, why not get yourselfs a life and do something useful with the time you have left.

Let me see.... I'm writing a science fiction novel that I hope to have finished by the end of next month and sold by sometime next year. Does that count for anything?

*Rochelle.

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"Most men complacently accept 'knowledge' as 'truth'. They are sheep, ruled by fear."
-- Sydney Losstarot, "Vagrant Story."