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  Question about the number 2,520 and the book “New Heavens and a New Earth” (1953)

  by Hecce in

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  question about the number 2,520 and the book “new heavens and a new earth” (1953).

  there is a footnote on page 138 of this book; it has to do with the number 2,520 being a perfect number and the result of multiplying the four perfect numbers in sequence.

  i have done the math and it works.

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  wifibandit

  Thanks for the book, I put the link but this is better.
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  Living Through the Brief Liberalization of Jehovah's Witnesses, Never Recovering

  by TMS in

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  with the book crisis of conscience detailing the turbulence at bethel during the early to mid 70's, the transformation from autocratic rule to governance by committee or a body of men, many of us can speak to how that felt among the rank and file of the local congregations during those years.

  we learned new concepts based in large part to research done for the aid to bible understanding volume, then we were asked or coerced into unlearning those principles, going back to the old ways.

  some of us never readjusted, finding ourselves very different from our more hardline compadres.. the inertia for the changes that eventually were initiated in the congregations came from the discovery that the greek words episkopos and presbyteros were used biblically to refer to all qualified men in a congregation, not just one.

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  Impressive reading TMS.

  One observation, after all the twists and turns, the basic command structure of the congregations is the same than before the 70s. One strong man, the coordinator with two henchmen and a group of lackeys. That is basically a body of elders, the difference is under the congregation servant the group was a lot more considerate and caring.
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  When selling was preaching ...

  by Hecce in

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  2. beliefs

  i am going way, way back.

  history reveals that in the beginning the wt was just a publishing house, selling books and magazines; over the years it evolved into what it is today..

  the placement of the original publications was mostly done thru sales people masquerading as preachers.

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  Hecce

  Thanks to all of you.

  In third world countries it was easy for pioneers to sustain themselves with the placements. I don't think that was the motivation for their service but it was an end result.

  Take the situation with the magazines, the goal was to place one for every hour in service; if you put 100 hours that was 100 magazines at 4 cents profit each or $40.00 monthly. In most poor countries that was money.
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  Question about the number 2,520 and the book “New Heavens and a New Earth” (1953)

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  question about the number 2,520 and the book “new heavens and a new earth” (1953).

  there is a footnote on page 138 of this book; it has to do with the number 2,520 being a perfect number and the result of multiplying the four perfect numbers in sequence.

  i have done the math and it works.

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  Hecce

  I am requesting a favor, please read the post and the links before commenting.

  I am just quoting a WT publication, the "perfect" number comes from them, not me.

  Thanks for your comments.
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  When selling was preaching ...

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am going way, way back.

  history reveals that in the beginning the wt was just a publishing house, selling books and magazines; over the years it evolved into what it is today..

  the placement of the original publications was mostly done thru sales people masquerading as preachers.

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  Hecce

  Thanks berrygerry

  Good stuff
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  Question about the number 2,520 and the book “New Heavens and a New Earth” (1953)

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  question about the number 2,520 and the book “new heavens and a new earth” (1953).

  there is a footnote on page 138 of this book; it has to do with the number 2,520 being a perfect number and the result of multiplying the four perfect numbers in sequence.

  i have done the math and it works.

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  Hecce

  Yes goes back to William Miller

  http://www.the2520.com/william_miller.htm

  
  
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  Question about the number 2,520 and the book “New Heavens and a New Earth” (1953)

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  question about the number 2,520 and the book “new heavens and a new earth” (1953).

  there is a footnote on page 138 of this book; it has to do with the number 2,520 being a perfect number and the result of multiplying the four perfect numbers in sequence.

  i have done the math and it works.

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  Hecce

  Nathan Natas

  Yes, NUMEROLOGY and whole bunch of some other shady stuff.

  I put the link to the book for verification.

  Thanks
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  Question about the number 2,520 and the book “New Heavens and a New Earth” (1953)

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  question about the number 2,520 and the book “new heavens and a new earth” (1953).

  there is a footnote on page 138 of this book; it has to do with the number 2,520 being a perfect number and the result of multiplying the four perfect numbers in sequence.

  i have done the math and it works.

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  Hecce

  The title of this chapter is “The holy city revived and cast off”. I am enclosing the whole page and also a link to the book. To me this was something almost cabalistic (excuse me if this not a proper word, it is what comes to my mind) and maybe that is the reason why it was abandoned.

  "NEW HEAVENS AND A NEW EARTH"

  with Nebuchadnezzar's destruction of Jerusalem in 607 B .C. They had a miniature fulfillment upon Nebuchadnezzar himself when he went mad like a beast for seven years ; but they were completely fulfilled in seven symbolic times, 2,520* (or 7 X 360) years, from 607 B.C. to the autumn of A.D. 1914, during which non-Jewish or Gentile world powers dominated the earth unhindered . "The appointed times of the nations," Jesus called them. (Luke 21 :24, NW) They correspond with the long period of time foretold by Jehovah's prophetic words through Ezekiel to Jerusalem's last king, Zedekiah : "Remove the mitre and take off the crown ; what is shall be no more. Exalt that which is low, and abase that which is high . I will overturn, overturn, overturn it! This also shall be no more, until he come whose right it is ; and I will give it to him ."-Ezek. 21 :25-27, Da.

  In harmony with this divine decree there would be no kingdom of God again with a son of David on the throne until God's heavenly woman, his theocratic universal organization, brought forth the Seed who has the right to the Kingdom . Then Jehovah God would give the Kingdom power to him. Hence when God restored the remnant in 537 B.C., he did not re-establish an earthly kingdom under the Judean prince Zerubbabel . This did not mean that God had abandoned his covenant for the kingdom made with faithful king David. (1 Chron. 17 :1-15) It meant that God rec-
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  When selling was preaching ...

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am going way, way back.

  history reveals that in the beginning the wt was just a publishing house, selling books and magazines; over the years it evolved into what it is today..

  the placement of the original publications was mostly done thru sales people masquerading as preachers.

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  Hecce

  The most common explanation was that the pioneer’s cost was like an allowance to help them with the transportation and some other expenses in their ministry.

  For instance a magazine was placed for 5 cents, the pioneer paid 1 cent; a book was 50 cents, the cost for the pioneer was 10 cents and so on.
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  Question about the number 2,520 and the book “New Heavens and a New Earth” (1953)

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  question about the number 2,520 and the book “new heavens and a new earth” (1953).

  there is a footnote on page 138 of this book; it has to do with the number 2,520 being a perfect number and the result of multiplying the four perfect numbers in sequence.

  i have done the math and it works.

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  Hecce

  Question about the number 2,520 and the book “New Heavens and a New Earth” (1953)

  There is a footnote on page 138 of this book; it has to do with the number 2,520 being a perfect number and the result of multiplying the four perfect numbers in sequence. I have done the math and it works. My question is if anyone remembers seeing this information in any other WT publication.

  Thanks

  Here is the quote

  New Heavens and a New Earth- Page 138 (1953)

  * 2,520 is a perfect number. It is the product obtained by multiplying the four perfect numbers 3, 7, 10, 12, and can be divided by all the digits from 1 to 10 without leaving any remainder, hence is their least common multiple.

  http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/newheavens/1953_New_Heavens_and_a_New_Earth.pdf