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  When selling was preaching ...

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am going way, way back.

  history reveals that in the beginning the wt was just a publishing house, selling books and magazines; over the years it evolved into what it is today..

  the placement of the original publications was mostly done thru sales people masquerading as preachers.

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  Hecce

  Thanks for the assist.

  The whole money grabbing mentality is the same; the only thing is that the means to do it are different, more sophisticated.
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  When selling was preaching ...

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am going way, way back.

  history reveals that in the beginning the wt was just a publishing house, selling books and magazines; over the years it evolved into what it is today..

  the placement of the original publications was mostly done thru sales people masquerading as preachers.

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  Hecce

  OOPS
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  When selling was preaching ...

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am going way, way back.

  history reveals that in the beginning the wt was just a publishing house, selling books and magazines; over the years it evolved into what it is today..

  the placement of the original publications was mostly done thru sales people masquerading as preachers.

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  Hecce

  I am going way, way back. History reveals that in the beginning the WT was just a publishing house, selling books and magazines; over the years it evolved into what it is today.

  The placement of the original publications was mostly done thru sales people masquerading as preachers. I don’t know the English name for them; in Spanish they were called “repartidores”. These workers were getting a commission out of selling or placing their inventory; they had an account with the Central Office and submitted a report on a weekly basis with their sales activity.

  Later on during the Rutherford years this privilege was extended to the flock and the report slip became an integral part of the publisher’s life. For many years the most commented field in that report was the placement of books, subscriptions and magazines. As an incentive and with the excuse of covering cost there was a discount given to the publishers.

  As an example, for many years:

  Books: $00.50 to the public, $00.45 for the publisher and $00.10 for pioneers.

  Magazines: $00.05 to the public, $00.04 for the publisher and $00.01 for pioneers.

  There were also discounts in booklets and subscriptions. I hope that if I made a mistake with this figures some of the old timers will correct me.

  The congregations and publishers had accounts where a record of their activity was kept including credit and how much they owed. If they were not careful and didn’t keep the accounts current, their supplies were cut off.

  During so many years the main experiences at meetings and conventions were related to the placement of publications and some of the brothers were really proficient at this. It might not seem like a lot but for a regular or special pioneer placing a large amount of publications it was a very profitable deal.

  All of this was changed over the years, due to the economy and Government regulations but for many years the business model of the Watchtower was that of a Publishing Company posing as a religion.

  Excuse if this subject that has been treated before. I am new and I think that it might of interest to anyone who learned the “truth” in the last 20 years.

  Thanks for reading.
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  Where the need is greater: TTATT in Spanish

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems most of the us growth is in spanish-speaking territory, and of course, there is growth in the nations where spanish is the predominant language.

  most sites oriented around ttatt, are english-speaking.

  there seems then to be a great need for translators...for instance, imagine if there was a spanish version of www.jwfacts.com.. unfortunately, i dont speak this language.

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  Hecce

  Patience

  Is not dying, just evolving.
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  The truth about Hispanic JWs in the United States

  by Hecce in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

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  i will like to share some facts about the spanish congregations in usa.

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  Hecce

  Respectfully, I disagree with this comment about the equality of Hispanics in the WT.

  The arrangement with the publications is more a function of better translation and technical systems than anything else.

  Fred Franz was attending a Spanish Congregation in NY and it is possible that some GB members are doing the same today. I see this as a way for them to improve their language skills and nothing else; in general it doesn’t benefit the Spanish brothers.

  The back of the bus comment was related to positions of authority, as stated before the Anglo will always be at front. This applies to Conventions, Assembly Halls, Kingdom Halls and any matter that requires organizing. It is obvious that the thinking that the Spanish are not good enough to lead still prevails.

  I agree with something and that is the comment about the capitalistic mentality, but it should not co-exist with "brotherly love".
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  shock horror! WITNESSING ATTIRE NOW CONDONES OPEN-NECK SHIRTS FOR MALES!

  by steve2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  go to jw.org right now friends and you will see a young male jw witnessing in a rural setting with publication in hand and - take careful note - wearing a crisply-white open-neck shirt.

  bring out the carnival, light the lights: the organ ization is kicking itself into an ongoing casualization of its rank and file.. in the 1960s through 1980s i know brothers who dared to attire themselves sans ties who were reprimanded or worse.

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  Hecce

  Adding to previous comments, is just a matter of location. The tie and suit preaching rules are crazy, they are portraying an image that is no longer here; to me is more of a repellent than anything else.
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  New to JWN and excited!

  by sunny23 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  have been visiting jwn for about a week now and it motivated me to join.

  i look forward to meeting everyone i can and learning from their experiences and wisdom as i search for more and more reasons not to get reinstated.

  here's most of my story:.

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  Hecce

  I like it, seems to me that you are in the right and early enough.

  Forward.
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  The truth about Hispanic JWs in the United States

  by Hecce in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

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  i will like to share some facts about the spanish congregations in usa.

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  Hecce

  Yes that is the general attitude, they belong in the back of the bus.

  Now in matters like labor, preaching, contributions and others, then they go at front.
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  Where the need is greater: TTATT in Spanish

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems most of the us growth is in spanish-speaking territory, and of course, there is growth in the nations where spanish is the predominant language.

  most sites oriented around ttatt, are english-speaking.

  there seems then to be a great need for translators...for instance, imagine if there was a spanish version of www.jwfacts.com.. unfortunately, i dont speak this language.

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  Hecce

  http://www.extj.org/index.html

  This link is to Spanish website full of useful information, the Foro that I have been mentioning is part of this site.
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  The truth about Hispanic JWs in the United States

  by Hecce in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

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  i will like to share some facts about the spanish congregations in usa.

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  Hecce

  The situation in the last comment is not an anomaly but the norm. In situations like this, everyone around this person knew what he was doing but opted to look the other way. Only the scandal forced their hands to act.

  Thanks