Posts by Hecce

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Question about the number 2,520 and the book “New Heavens and a New Earth” (1953)

by Hecce in

question about the number 2,520 and the book “new heavens and a new earth” (1953).

there is a footnote on page 138 of this book; it has to do with the number 2,520 being a perfect number and the result of multiplying the four perfect numbers in sequence.

i have done the math and it works.

Hecce

The title of this chapter is “The holy city revived and cast off”. I am enclosing the whole page and also a link to the book. To me this was something almost cabalistic (excuse me if this not a proper word, it is what comes to my mind) and maybe that is the reason why it was abandoned.

"NEW HEAVENS AND A NEW EARTH"

with Nebuchadnezzar's destruction of Jerusalem in 607 B .C. They had a miniature fulfillment upon Nebuchadnezzar himself when he went mad like a beast for seven years ; but they were completely fulfilled in seven symbolic times, 2,520* (or 7 X 360) years, from 607 B.C. to the autumn of A.D. 1914, during which non-Jewish or Gentile world powers dominated the earth unhindered . "The appointed times of the nations," Jesus called them. (Luke 21 :24, NW) They correspond with the long period of time foretold by Jehovah's prophetic words through Ezekiel to Jerusalem's last king, Zedekiah : "Remove the mitre and take off the crown ; what is shall be no more. Exalt that which is low, and abase that which is high . I will overturn, overturn, overturn it! This also shall be no more, until he come whose right it is ; and I will give it to him ."-Ezek. 21 :25-27, Da.

In harmony with this divine decree there would be no kingdom of God again with a son of David on the throne until God's heavenly woman, his theocratic universal organization, brought forth the Seed who has the right to the Kingdom . Then Jehovah God would give the Kingdom power to him. Hence when God restored the remnant in 537 B.C., he did not re-establish an earthly kingdom under the Judean prince Zerubbabel . This did not mean that God had abandoned his covenant for the kingdom made with faithful king David. (1 Chron. 17 :1-15) It meant that God rec-

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When selling was preaching ...

by Hecce in

i am going way, way back.

history reveals that in the beginning the wt was just a publishing house, selling books and magazines; over the years it evolved into what it is today..

the placement of the original publications was mostly done thru sales people masquerading as preachers.

Hecce

The most common explanation was that the pioneer’s cost was like an allowance to help them with the transportation and some other expenses in their ministry.

For instance a magazine was placed for 5 cents, the pioneer paid 1 cent; a book was 50 cents, the cost for the pioneer was 10 cents and so on.

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Question about the number 2,520 and the book “New Heavens and a New Earth” (1953)

by Hecce in

question about the number 2,520 and the book “new heavens and a new earth” (1953).

there is a footnote on page 138 of this book; it has to do with the number 2,520 being a perfect number and the result of multiplying the four perfect numbers in sequence.

i have done the math and it works.

Hecce

Question about the number 2,520 and the book “New Heavens and a New Earth” (1953)

There is a footnote on page 138 of this book; it has to do with the number 2,520 being a perfect number and the result of multiplying the four perfect numbers in sequence. I have done the math and it works. My question is if anyone remembers seeing this information in any other WT publication.

Thanks

Here is the quote

New Heavens and a New Earth- Page 138 (1953)

* 2,520 is a perfect number. It is the product obtained by multiplying the four perfect numbers 3, 7, 10, 12, and can be divided by all the digits from 1 to 10 without leaving any remainder, hence is their least common multiple.

http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/newheavens/1953_New_Heavens_and_a_New_Earth.pdf

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When selling was preaching ...

by Hecce in

i am going way, way back.

history reveals that in the beginning the wt was just a publishing house, selling books and magazines; over the years it evolved into what it is today..

the placement of the original publications was mostly done thru sales people masquerading as preachers.

Hecce

Thanks coffy and Finkelstein.

Going thru difficult times and trying to get back on my feet.

Regards

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Returning

by Doubtfully Yours in

i was a member of this community a long time ago and have lurked for years.

well, i am back and still thoroughly conflicted, with my heart/loyalties as divided as ever.

please welcome me back, hear me out, and make me feel as welcomed as before.. the wtbts has changed so very much in recent years that i feel trapped in a completely different religion altogether.

Hecce

It must be something in the air, I am also after a couple years a returnee .

In my case, no internal crisis. As time goes by I am more regretful of my contributions to the WT.

I have very heavy pressure on top of me due to illness in the family and at times, I don't even feel like sharing with others.

Thanks to all of you for being here.

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When selling was preaching ...

by Hecce in

i am going way, way back.

history reveals that in the beginning the wt was just a publishing house, selling books and magazines; over the years it evolved into what it is today..

the placement of the original publications was mostly done thru sales people masquerading as preachers.

Hecce

Hi to you all.

I don't post much but read a lot, thanks to you all.

One of my few contributions from the past.

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The truth about Hispanic JWs in the United States

by Hecce in

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i will like to share some facts about the spanish congregations in usa.

Hecce

No defense for the behaviour described in the last few postings, hit me like a ton of bricks.

I have never experienced something like that but I will be mad with similar behavior.

At the end of the day it proves that this not "Alice in wonderland".

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The truth about Hispanic JWs in the United States

by Hecce in

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i will like to share some facts about the spanish congregations in usa.

Hecce

It seems like some location changes this year for the DCs, are a problem for some of the low income Spanish friends. They can't afford to travel to a distant city and pay for the trip expenses.

Most of them are barely surviving.

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Closed WT Branches list.

by Hecce in

one of the friends at extj forum provided this list of wt branches that have been closed so far, there is also a mention that two large ones are in the process of being dismantled, they are spain and argentina.

posted for informational purposes and it seems to be accurate.. thanks for reading.

1) alaska.

Hecce

According to the Spaniard friends it seems like the only thing holding the Branch closure is the lack of a buyer for their hugue complex. The actual Bethel family is more or less a maintenance crew.

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The truth about Hispanic JWs in the United States

by Hecce in

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i will like to share some facts about the spanish congregations in usa.

Hecce

Once that an undocumented present his papers to Inmigration, there is a change in his status and he becomes approved for additional privileges.