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  KH Survey forms and related docs

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  this was somewhat discussed in another thread but i figure i can start this one for those mostly interested on the docs.

  most interesting to me what the name of shawn schafer at the end of one of the letters.

  (wonder if he is related to david schaffer).

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  Thanks

  This information complements the other thread about the relocation plans, one thing that is obvious; this project was carefully and professionally calculated and as some of the brothers had said it has the smell of business all over.
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  The “boldness” of the GB

  by Hecce in

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  this topic is related to the one about the relocation of publishers and moving and dissolving congregations.. some of the things that we are seeing now were unthinkable a few years back, examples the closing of the branches, layoff of bethelites and travelling overseers, the grabbing of the congregations funds and many more.

  some of my friends tell me that basically the wt was operating with an early 20th century business model that needed a tune up and that worldly consultants are behind the changes that have been implemented.. nevertheless to put it in hollywood terms, they seem to think that they are on a “mission from god” and that they are “going where no man, has gone before”..

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  It will be interesting to see the melting of the elders bodies, elders from different congregations are going to merge and in some instances you will put together people that can"t stand each other.
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  The “boldness” of the GB

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this topic is related to the one about the relocation of publishers and moving and dissolving congregations.. some of the things that we are seeing now were unthinkable a few years back, examples the closing of the branches, layoff of bethelites and travelling overseers, the grabbing of the congregations funds and many more.

  some of my friends tell me that basically the wt was operating with an early 20th century business model that needed a tune up and that worldly consultants are behind the changes that have been implemented.. nevertheless to put it in hollywood terms, they seem to think that they are on a “mission from god” and that they are “going where no man, has gone before”..

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  "Maybe that is the reason why Loesch is not giving them the consent to the 75 year old ceiling in the GB"
  I`m missing something here ? whats that about ?

  I read somewhere that the GB was ready to implement a 75 year old maximum age for their members and Loesch was the only one opposing it, once again this is just grapevine info.
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  Major congregational quake in Southern California

  by Hecce in

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  this notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.

  a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.

  the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.

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  Hecce

  Right now is too early to comment about the impact on the flock, it hasn't been announced. From a very small sample of elder's opinions I will say that they are subdued and quiet about the arrangement.
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  The “boldness” of the GB

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this topic is related to the one about the relocation of publishers and moving and dissolving congregations.. some of the things that we are seeing now were unthinkable a few years back, examples the closing of the branches, layoff of bethelites and travelling overseers, the grabbing of the congregations funds and many more.

  some of my friends tell me that basically the wt was operating with an early 20th century business model that needed a tune up and that worldly consultants are behind the changes that have been implemented.. nevertheless to put it in hollywood terms, they seem to think that they are on a “mission from god” and that they are “going where no man, has gone before”..

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  Hecce

  Another 'bold" action is the disregard of all the teachings prior to 2000, they overlook the fact that there plenty of older JWs that remember quite well what was said, when and by whom.
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  Major congregational quake in Southern California

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.

  a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.

  the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.

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  DJS

  Excellent contribution, good thing that the GB is not as smart or learned as the Mormons or some other similar groups.
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  Major congregational quake in Southern California

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.

  a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.

  the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.

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  Wayward

  I will conjecture that this is mainly a project for the metropolitan areas, it will be crazy to do it in your neck of the woods.
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  The “boldness” of the GB

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this topic is related to the one about the relocation of publishers and moving and dissolving congregations.. some of the things that we are seeing now were unthinkable a few years back, examples the closing of the branches, layoff of bethelites and travelling overseers, the grabbing of the congregations funds and many more.

  some of my friends tell me that basically the wt was operating with an early 20th century business model that needed a tune up and that worldly consultants are behind the changes that have been implemented.. nevertheless to put it in hollywood terms, they seem to think that they are on a “mission from god” and that they are “going where no man, has gone before”..

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  Hecce

  Something that is very apparent is that the GB is going ahead with their agenda without any consideration for others. I don't know if they realize that the "monster" will eventually devour them.

  Maybe that is the reason why Loesch is not giving them the consent to the 75 year old ceiling in the GB; he knows that he is going to be immediately kick out and will lose all the comfort and privileged living.
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  Call for Judicial Hearing by signed letter

  by sp74bb in

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  i'm quite surprised about the new approach of some local congregation brothers respect about my fade.... funny, ilegal and very dangerous in view of the different laws regarding personal data and minorities in spain and in the eu.... i already organized a press meeting with main newspapers in spain.

  many has shown interest in this situation.

  the fact of that a parallel judicial system do exist is amazing them.

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  sp74bb

  I saw this at the Spanish Forum and was sure that you were going to post it here; what this elders are doing seems to be a deviation of the normal procedure and not recommended. Please keep us informed of the developments since the case is very, very interesting.

  An added suggestion, if possible post the letter here as you did at the Spanish Forum; even it it is in Spanish it will clear any doubters minds.

  Thanks
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  The “boldness” of the GB

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this topic is related to the one about the relocation of publishers and moving and dissolving congregations.. some of the things that we are seeing now were unthinkable a few years back, examples the closing of the branches, layoff of bethelites and travelling overseers, the grabbing of the congregations funds and many more.

  some of my friends tell me that basically the wt was operating with an early 20th century business model that needed a tune up and that worldly consultants are behind the changes that have been implemented.. nevertheless to put it in hollywood terms, they seem to think that they are on a “mission from god” and that they are “going where no man, has gone before”..

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  Hecce

  The first time that I heard about worldly consultants was in relation to the printing paper. This is something that I learned thru the grapevine and if is not correct there are tons of ex Bethelites here to correct me.

  I was told that the WT was in the habit of taking advantage of low cost offers for printing paper and buying tremendous amounts of the product, when consultants came in trying to improve their operation they called to their attention:

  Capital that was invested with no return in the paper.

  Spoilage, sometimes the paper reams were spoiled after many months of storage.

  Space, there was a need of storage room for the paper.

  The suggestion was to just buy enough paper for a short period of time and use the resources for something else.

  Like I said maybe truth or maybe urban legend, if truth shows that the motivation was in this particular instance $$$$$.