i'm quite surprised about the new approach of some local congregation brothers respect about my fade.... funny, ilegal and very dangerous in view of the different laws regarding personal data and minorities in spain and in the eu.... i already organized a press meeting with main newspapers in spain.
many has shown interest in this situation.
the fact of that a parallel judicial system do exist is amazing them.
Your post is very well reasoned based in the information at hand, I am aware of more because of the Spanish Forum and I can tell you that Mr. Lopez is "a pain" for the elders and that they just want to get rid of him. If he wants to expand on details he can do it, but the elders are not following procedure by inviting him to a JC without going thru the previous step of the conversation with two elders.
Like I said I am pretty sure that he will explain their intent in more details.
this notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.
a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.
the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.
Thanks for your input on this thread. What your describing will probably be repeated here, some KHs are left without an Spanish congregation and that will present a major headache for some that don't have transportation. They can't depend on buses because the schedules are very far apart and in some areas they run even less on Sundays.
Time will tell.
reading konceptual's account of talking to cart 'witnesses' and it reminded me that when we left in '89 we thought the religion would do one of two things.
get more hardline, consequently lose members and eventually come to an end in some way.
or ease up on the members, fewer rules, less fs time, less meetings, just to keep them in.. all the recent apostate stuff, treatment of dfed kids and the hardline attitude to people who leave or try to fade has confused me, made me think they are harder on the r+f., but i don't think this is true.
The composition of the elders body will determine if you are going to have a good time or being required to fulfill your duties. My personal observation is that the elders themselves don't want to complicate their life and allow the flock to have it nice and easy.
this topic is related to the one about the relocation of publishers and moving and dissolving congregations.. some of the things that we are seeing now were unthinkable a few years back, examples the closing of the branches, layoff of bethelites and travelling overseers, the grabbing of the congregations funds and many more.
some of my friends tell me that basically the wt was operating with an early 20th century business model that needed a tune up and that worldly consultants are behind the changes that have been implemented.. nevertheless to put it in hollywood terms, they seem to think that they are on a “mission from god” and that they are “going where no man, has gone before”..
It is easy to be bold when there is no responsibility for your actions, the GB doesn't suffer for their mistakes and puts the reasons for the failures on the foot soldiers.
this notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.
a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.
the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.
I was the one making the comment about the tablets, thinking about it a little bit more; maybe the relocation won't be that simple. I have seen that the rank and file accepts everything that is thrown at them with the exception two years ago of asking the Spanish friends to go to San Diego for the DA. That required going thru the immigration controls and the vast majority decided not to do it and in essence disobeyed "mother".
this notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.
a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.
the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.
I wish that your ideas about the reaction of the rank and file were correct, I think that the flock will obey without much hesitation; I was surprised by the transition from the publications to the tablets and to how even the most poorer in the congregations made whatever was needed to get their tablet.
this notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.
a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.
the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.
has anyone else noticed how alarm bells go off inside a jw mind as soon as they hear someone that "is out" refer to the leaders of this org as "watchtower"?
i've chatted with a few friends now about my doubts and each and every time i've started using phrases such as "watchtower said this" or "watchtower did that", i can almost see their heads about to explode in anger, as if they've just realized they are talking to the lucifer himself.
some have even interrupted and corrected me by reminding me that it's not "watchtower", it's "god's organization".
Just as the Soviets removed dissidents from their historical pictures, the WT removes their history in a blink of an eye.
this notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.
a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.
the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.
My focus on this thread was So Cal, speaking with friends it seems like is happening all over. I don't know what the true intentions are but one thing that I can say is that here locally the loss of some KHs in poor neighborhoods is going to affect the most needed tremendously.
this was somewhat discussed in another thread but i figure i can start this one for those mostly interested on the docs.
most interesting to me what the name of shawn schafer at the end of one of the letters.
(wonder if he is related to david schaffer).
Thanks
This information complements the other thread about the relocation plans, one thing that is obvious; this project was carefully and professionally calculated and as some of the brothers had said it has the smell of business all over.
