Posts by ÁrbolesdeArabia

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Are EXJW's predominantly atheist?

by sabastious in

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i was just making a comment on a christian's youtube and someone said this:.

i just realized?

ur an ex jw and dont believe in god no point in making a reply to u... .

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"Are EXJW's predominantly atheist?", you assume absent of evidence is "evidence of absense". The majority of exJWs don't post on JWN, each year we are told over 50,000 Witnesses are expelled from the Congregation. Not everyone has access to a computer, others don't understand how "message-boards" can help heal the abuses they endured at Witnesses. If we interviewed one thousand ex-JWs or two-thousand, how many would say they are "atheist"? The data is too small to generalize "the majority of Ex-JWs are atheist", we need more numbers in different parts of the world. ExJWs in Industrial Europe would ten to be atheist or agnostic, undeveloped countries are probably still theists.

I am not a atheist, I know of other ex-JWs (United States, Latin American background) who head into "fundamental Christianity" others turn agnostic or deists. I know the mantra of "There is nothing outside the Organization. The majority of friends that leave the Organization abandon Jehovah and return to the mires of Christendom" are just scare tactics used to keep others from peeking out their spiritual windows. JWs need to lift up the blinders covering their windows and open up and let real "spiritual light" into their homes! Hiding out in fear of man, is not Christian Freedom (1 Corthians 6-__)

After visting with my younger sibling, i pondered how can people follow men so easily and turn over their Christian Freedom to others, because they refuse to think for themselves?

Can anyone tell what Ray Franz and Sam Dunlap belived regarding Christianity? James Wood did Brother Sam Dunlap and his wife remain in Christianity or turn agnostic? What is the premise of Ray's book "In Search of Christian Freedom"? Thank you.

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did the elders ever discover they were taped at ray publishers apostasy hearing

by reds in

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Are the videos still up and running, if they are:

A. The elders don't know about the videos being tapped.

B. The elders are not receiving any support from the Org's legal department and are suing him personally through small-claims courts in violation of California Penal Code 632-638 dealing with "invasion of privacy" up to $2500 per person, event or more. Six months in jail for each count of "invasion", if it's proven each party did not agree/ give consent to video-recording. New case in Sacramento paved the jail-term six months ago at the California Supreme Court.

C. The Society enjoyed the video and stand's by the the handling of the Judical Committee and decided there is not need to take the videos down.

JMHO....

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What Year Will JWs Start To Ask, Are The GB Pulling Our Leg? 2020, 2030 or 2050?

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

i can see this game being played until 2050, there is enough cash to last until the middle of the century, if all print is shut off.

when will the lights snap on, and the majority of the jws figure "we were tricked and let's keep our kids from making our mistakes.

how far can you see in your "mind's eyes" the barnums of bethel moving the circus tents before the audience realizes the show is long over?

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I can see this game being played until 2050, there is enough cash to last until the middle of the century, if all print is shut off. When will the lights snap on, and the majority of the JWs figure "We were tricked and let's keep our kids from making our mistakes."

How far can you see in your "mind's eyes" the Barnums of Bethel moving the circus tents before the audience realizes the show is long over?

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Watchtower's Weirdest Photograph?

by Marvin Shilmer in

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watchtower's weirdest photograph?.

you wont believe it when you see it.

and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/10/watchtowers-weirdest-photograph.html.

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The photo looks like one of the early "Heinz Katsup" salesman photos from 1899-1910, the author of the book had a photo and asked the question "how does it make you feel to know all those eager salesmen are dead now?" The Bethel photo, is anyone still alive from that feast?

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How do I disprove "New Light"?

by DarkFireWolf in

i currently am a jw and my parents are too.they seem either confused or dislike it when i raise questions and recently, when i questioned them about 1925 and 1975, i've been told it's changed due to "new light.

" i don't remember nor do i have very much knowledge of "new light.".

this "new light" just dosen't sit with me and neither do the false prophecies.new light first of all, breaks a scripture in deut.

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Do you parents feel the Congregation is full of love, love being practiced circuit wide? I have found this very topic to be the "Achilles Heel" of Witnesses, the majority of dubs are not willing to show love that Jesus Christ said his people would.

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Has the rescent change in the identity of the FDS been released in print yet

by A.M. Number 1 in

just wondering what wt issue has actually put it down in print.

i know that some of my jw frineds already know about it, but they didn't tell me if it was an announcement at the hall or actually in the wt..

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How long was it before the gaff of the "overlapping generation" from the Annual Meeting, until it made it's way to the confused ears of most Traveling Overseers? Twelve to Eighteen months before a tasty insight like this can be polished and "dumb downed" for the masses who don't read their magazines?

How will the traveling overseers explain away this core teaching, even though we always knew the WatchTower never considered that "all anointed are annointed" but "all governing body are annointed".

Eisenhower and "Project Jehovah"

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

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how much information has been released with "project jehovah"?

eisenhower's name was part of the file with the heading "project jehovah", what was this?.

relating to ancient aliens and ufos or some other top secret material?.

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How much information has been released with "Project Jehovah"? Eisenhower's name was part of the file with the heading "Project Jehovah", what was this?

Relating to Ancient Aliens and UFOs or some other top secret material?

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I think I stumbled onto the eventual plan for the governing body teaching today.....

by EndofMysteries in

on the jw.org site, look at the 2/1/2012 public wt, page 27 of the pdf...section 4"how are jehovah's witnesses organized today".

if anybody noticed, i mentioned i thought that no mention of 'faithful and discreet slave' possibly since 2010 in the public placed wt's.

i've read all of them backtracking to 2/1/2012 so far, and so far, my suspicion has proven true, no mention.

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EOM, you have found the link that is going to transfer the non-annointed into the position once reserved for the annointed only.

I thought of talking to one of the ancient JWs who saw this coming decades ago. Which Watchtower mentioned they were starting to train "the other sheep" to pick up the slack the Governing Body "Faithful Slave" was needing help with? Old "Brother Ancient" told me in secret "this is how they are going to allow the non-annointed to enter the position we were told only the annointed could hold". To long-term JWs who know doctrine and JW-Theology, this is equivalent allowing non-Levites to hold the office of High Priest and offer up the sacrifice.

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Disfellowshipped for reading "apostate literature"?

by Vanderhoven7 in

is reading apostate literature a disfellowshipping offense?.

do you know of people being disfellowshipped for this or for receiving apostate literature?.

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"Tornapart", in my experience most reasonable people keep their study to themselves until the opportune time. I thought I knew someone well, during their "walk-about" they could not contain their newfound information and started to call their spouse "a stupid idiot", "dumb cult member" and finally the spouse went to their elders. Granny Goodness said "more flys with sugar than vinegar" same with JWN resources, tact and correct timing make the case strong, insulting and abusing your spouse forces them to cling on even tighter out of spite! IMHO

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templelijah

by turtleturtle in

is templelijah serious when he posted this to his blog?.

http://templelijah.wordpress.com/gb-8k-infiltration/gb-stephen-lett-flashes-666-hand-sign/.

what is your take on this elijah?

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I agree with "templelijah", I think a big change-up is inevitable. The appointment of a 40something year old, changing of definition of the "Faithful Slave" that no longer includes the "annointed" has crossed the line.

I was thinking about the NGO status the Society had with the United Nations, was this common knowledge, I say this because I do recall Bethelites talking about WTS members attending the United Nations and using their research facilities in early 1980s.