They cheat with field service, I can't say they would jump off a cliff when they are not doing their master's (watchtower org) will with a complete heart. It's magic how hours go from 0 to 90 in the past, cooking the pioneers books and they feel good about this corruption!
ÁrbolesdeArabia
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Is "full-time service" a cult within a cult?
by brokethechain inaccording to the bite model, mind control groups keep their members busy, tell them they are special, have special lingo, etc.. doesn't that make "full-time ministers" into a deeper level of mind control?
it's a "special privilege" to be among those "ranks", there are extra meetings "anual pioneer meeting", "pioneer school", and a whole other level of guilt/indocrination/control for keeping pioneers/bethelites busy.
as "examples", they shouldn't socialize too much, they shouldn't miss field service groups, they should start their time early, they should study all the publications, etc.
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Is "full-time service" a cult within a cult?
by brokethechain inaccording to the bite model, mind control groups keep their members busy, tell them they are special, have special lingo, etc.. doesn't that make "full-time ministers" into a deeper level of mind control?
it's a "special privilege" to be among those "ranks", there are extra meetings "anual pioneer meeting", "pioneer school", and a whole other level of guilt/indocrination/control for keeping pioneers/bethelites busy.
as "examples", they shouldn't socialize too much, they shouldn't miss field service groups, they should start their time early, they should study all the publications, etc.
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ÁrbolesdeArabia
Yes, you make a very valid point of subsets within the cult.
I agree with "pioneer lunches" why invite the spiritually sick, poor, orphans, widows, weak and elderly to the King's banquet? Invite the Pioneers so they can pontificate what their right hand has been doing! Jesus also said "I came to help strong ones, not the sick ones! Healthy Pioneers need a spiritual checkup, sick one's should be tossed aside!" (Watchtower 3:16-28)
We have the "Cult Of The Pioneer", assumptions are made these men and women are more spiritual clean, psychologically-spiritually sound, and have a greater share of God's Spirit.
Pioneers are the first to be given parts on the "Kingdom Ministry School (nothing wrong with this concept, why not sure well seasoned one's to provide good parts?), Circuit Assembly, District Assembly, and offered the first chance for International Assemblies!
I am guilty of attributing qualities to Pioneers that many of them were greatly lacking (love, compassion, humility, honesty, truth, holy spirit, empathy, altrusim, willing to work with weak ones) and refused to work with weak ones when we begged them to! The Society's model has learned to cut their losses with weak ones, we were told a weak Witness burn's up more resources than trying to find a new recruit. Sorry, for this rant of Pioneering and the cult of of it.
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Did you feel guilty for not pioneering?
by brokethechain ini started pioneering the month i finished high school, and never stopped until i awakened, 17 years later.
it seems like the entire time, there was so much emphasis on pioneering.
every field service meeting seemed to have a part that communicated the message that jehovah would zap us at the big a. or people would die because of us if we didn't have extenuating circumstances (i always translated as bad health or kids, but even then, there were always "examples" of the mom with 5 kids that was pioneering).
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ÁrbolesdeArabia
I assumed we all were taught to feel guilty if we were living a productive life, providing for our families and pursuing a spiritual life to our best ability. We could always do more in the Org, they provided us with endless methods to beat ourselves silly with guilt.
"If you can shop at the Malls, you can attend the Kingdom Halls." "You can remain at home sick or bundle up and sit in the back"
"The Pioneers are the only ones who are able to become one with Jehovah, they learn to rely on him for food and clothing. Those not pioneering will never feel the Holy Spirit's power or compassion that pioneers experience."
"Pioneers are the most spiritual men and women in the Kingdom Hall, they are alway's looking for ways to make Jehovah's name known."
"Pioneers are at the cutting edge of the Theocratic Paradigm and are those keeping up with Jehovah's Chariot!"
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I Received A Phone Call Out Of The Blue, Spiritual Checkup Or Fishing Expo?
by ÁrbolesdeArabia inwhen my two pastors show up, i am going to ask them these questions in a different way.
we loose too many jws from apathy of the "holy-happy and self-assured members,the new pharisee class.
focus needs to change to check up on the under to non-performing magazine salesmen.
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ÁrbolesdeArabia
Size, something starts to burn inside of us once we figure out we were lied to (facts were throughly omitted from the Mags) from the start. I agree it's going to be like floating a lead ballon, you have the right attitude and Blondie alway's says "don't caste perlas before swine!".
Feeling a cold coming on, maybe I can arrange for another visit next near some time? Why get my blood pressure all boiled up when I know they are trying to clean up their "Inactive, Irregular and Questionable" publishers off their list? Ideas sound good at the moment, I read today where the most damning thing a person can do is "text another person, mate, girlfriend or employer while they are pissed", acting in the moment creates tornado of shit flying everywhere.
Thank's for the counsel, at night I think of how stupid I was even when the "light" was flickering dimmer and dimmer, I stayed with the cult.
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Do You Regret Reporting Your Elder, Elder's Wife Of Misconduct? It never works!
by ÁrbolesdeArabia inone thread is heading down "do you regret confessing?".
do you regret telling the brothers something because of the "matthew 18" passage about "going to the elders if your brother/sister has sinned against the hall?".
i told the circuit overseer about a coverup with old "holy-joey", the harsh judge of sexual sins of young witnesses.
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holy-joey" is still an elder and I am fading faster than the Watchtower's printing press equipment.
I like the bitch sessions we had, discussion of potential ministerial candidates and how they would have to kiss our ass just right, or they would be permanent microphone runners.
Microphone runners are often former elders who commited adultery, they act like something they will never be again. We had one guy whose black-book of hoes could make Charile Sheen cry, still he pretended he was an elder by carrying around his big bookcase, rudely speaking to the young microphone runners and sound-stage kids. Why would a wife stay with him after five extra-martial affairs, Christendom usually dump's a minister if they committ adultery, Fundamental Christians have tried to remove sexual deviants from their "elder, Pastor list". We JWs might allow pedophiles the chance to serve again (according to the new letter), "oh wait, we have been doing that since 2000!" until the lawsuits starting to sue our Org!
What a Motley Crew of people we were, oh the times we had my friends!
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Would YOU Have Died For The Witness Religion?
by minimus inwould you have not taken a blood transfusion or a transplant because the gb said it was bad?.
would you have imitated the jws in concentration camps and died for your beliefs?.
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ÁrbolesdeArabia
Yes, in a UN Concentration Camp I figured I would die. No UN CCs are here, I was sucked into a cult?
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It is OFFICIAL they want MORE MONEY : NEW ANNOUNCEMENT!!!
by raymond frantz ini just came back from the meeting .although the local announcements have been abolished recently as an item for the second part , an elder came on the platform to announce that the society needs more money and there is a letter on the noticeboard for all the congragation to read to this effect.
although the announcement was read half heartedly (this elder's daughter is an apostate ,it looks like he knows what's going on) the implictions are dramatic .
the society in brief,requests any brother or sister with funds sitting on personal accounts to loan them to the society ,he didn't go into any specifics but i will take a picture of the letter next time and make it available here .. i'm not amazed that they're asking for money ,i thought it will happen sooner or later .what i'm amazed is that 99% of the congragation are oblivious to the financial crisis that the society finds itself these days and the reasons why .i can see the future now .the watchtower will be the fist part of the babylon the great to go down in a blaze of scandals and financial troubles !.
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ÁrbolesdeArabia
This thread infer's the Watchtower is begging for cash to make the Candice Contii escroe account. Nothing was said this is the annual JW "Plan to Die and Leave your unrighteous assets to the Org."
I might be wrong but I got the impression this had to deal with the lawsuit and bond fee, which the Org does not want to pay for. They have the $24,000,000 Million and don't wish to spend $90k on a bond.
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Do You Regret Reporting Your Elder, Elder's Wife Of Misconduct? It never works!
by ÁrbolesdeArabia inone thread is heading down "do you regret confessing?".
do you regret telling the brothers something because of the "matthew 18" passage about "going to the elders if your brother/sister has sinned against the hall?".
i told the circuit overseer about a coverup with old "holy-joey", the harsh judge of sexual sins of young witnesses.
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ÁrbolesdeArabia
one thread is heading down "Do you regret confessing?"
Do you regret telling the brothers something because of the "Matthew 18" passage about "going to the elders if your brother/sister has sinned against the Hall?"
I told the Circuit Overseer about a coverup with old "holy-joey", the harsh judge of sexual sins of young Witnesses. This guy was brutal until his daughter turned Lesbian which he tried to cover over with a super-super private reproof. The issue was brought before the Body, more sex participants were introduced to the elder body. holy-joe kept his position and I really got the shaft for letting the CO know there was a sin against the congregation.
Moral of the story, don't tell on the elders you work with or you might find yourself "persona-non grata"!
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Do you regret confessing your sins to the elders?
by asilentone inyes, i do!
i did it 20 years ago, but the elders still remember what i did, sometimes i wish they never knew about it.
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When pressed for details instead of the usual "was alcoholinvolved" question, he liked what he heard.
Did she tell him she was good at the "oral review". she like strange sex and liked it alot?" She passed his interview with flying colors and now this elder is getting his world rocked. That's my theory, I'am stickin to it!
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I Received A Phone Call Out Of The Blue, Spiritual Checkup Or Fishing Expo?
by ÁrbolesdeArabia inwhen my two pastors show up, i am going to ask them these questions in a different way.
we loose too many jws from apathy of the "holy-happy and self-assured members,the new pharisee class.
focus needs to change to check up on the under to non-performing magazine salesmen.
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When my two pastors show up, I am going to ask them these questions in a different way. We loose too many JWs from apathy of the "holy-happy and self-assured members,The New Pharisee class. Focus needs to change to check up on the under to non-performing magazine salesmen.
I find things strange in the JW Organization. We allow friends (mostly weak and underperforming publishers to disappear without a trace) as we track down drunks, schizos, emotionally thrashed men and women, elderly to ancient lonely men and women too.
Why do we allow members coming to meetings drop off the radar, without asking why? Don't they deserve the same effort and spirit we were using to hunt down the drunks, winos, bong-jockey's, emo-men,women in field circus?
I laugh at their business model because it makes no sense! Why do JWs allow their own to leave the Org without putting up a figh? What if the weak ones were shown a little extra love? Instead of wasting money driving in circles in Kingdom Rummage sale, how about a new program like "take the weak ones kids bowling this week? Take the irregular mother out to lunch, dinner or something?