Posts by ÁrbolesdeArabia

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The Watchtower Writers need to answer this question "Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history!"

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

how come the watchtower will not side with christendom and address a topic like the following?

what if christendom had allowed islam to spread it's plunder into europe without a fight and great force?

i direct your attention to islam spreading not as a distraction, but to ask the question most atheist have asked me when we talk of this subject.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Jam, killing is killing, we now have to define what killing is because to some it's ok to kill a baby the day before it's born and call it a "termination of a pregnancy", how many babies have been killed in the 21st Century by governments like China and any country that alllows you to decide what life is. The amount of babies killed in Abortions far exceeds the number of people destroyed in those wars. Can we look at the Wars as a Social Abortion of our enemies and races that do not agree with us or we fear?

Wars started in those countries you mentioned, they are not following their teachers morals. People killing without morals have nobody to answer to, why are we pushing our morals down the throats of other humans trying to find their way through humanities Jungle? Jam, why do you think those wars you mentioned were wrong? What do you personally feel is moral and immoral when it comes to killing of human beings?

When is it ok to kill a human, when does a baby inside a woman's body turn into a human and should not be killed because it's a incovenient drag on the parents or single mother?

When is the Government allowed to eliminate incovenient drags on it's society? When should the Governments of the World begin to use the finite resources only for the strongest members of society who produce goods and services and further our techonology? Eugenics taught us to eliminate the weakest members, even the poor "Pauperism" was considered a candidate to be terminated and have the parents castrated.

Who's morals should we use to decide what is right and what is wrong? I need more information because the time will come in future when we revist the same things Hitler did to the Jews. History has a tendancy to repeat the same wicked things with new players, what is right and what is wrong?

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The Watchtower Writers need to answer this question "Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history!"

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

how come the watchtower will not side with christendom and address a topic like the following?

what if christendom had allowed islam to spread it's plunder into europe without a fight and great force?

i direct your attention to islam spreading not as a distraction, but to ask the question most atheist have asked me when we talk of this subject.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Cofty, calling the writer a "idiot" is not your style, that's Sam Harris usual tactic. You know what he called Dr. Francisis Colllins because he believes in I.D.? He called him a idiot and a liar, why don't we allow the material to speak for itself, Hitler was not a Christian nor was he agnostic. Evidence shows he did not believe in any Christian Morals, his motto was ""Lebensunwertes Leben " "life unworthy of life"" .

Wiki:

"The expression first occurs in the title of a 1920 book, Die Freigabe der Vernichtung Lebensunwerten Lebens (Allowing the Destruction of Life Unworthy of Life) by jurist Karl Binding, retired from the University of Leipzig, and psychiatrist Alfred Hoche from the University of Freiburg, bothprofessors. According to Hoche, some living people who were brain damaged, mentally retarded, psychiatrically ill were "mentally dead", "human ballast" and "empty shells of human beings". Hoche felt killing such people was useful. Some people were simply considered disposable. [2] Later the killing was extended to people considered 'racially impure' or 'racially inferior' according to Nazi thinking. [3]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_unworthy_of_life

Fair enough Cofty, but you have to do the same, I told you how I use to debate my chess coach and provided you his name and from that you could find out what school he taught Biology in. He attacked anyone he did not like by calling them "idiots" and "stupid" or Dawkins favorite "Wickedly ignorant". Let's both use this session to trigger all those debates and arguments I enjoyed with my teacher. I was USCF rated 1984 after a couple of years of being taught by him over the internet. There is another person who debated this man on JWN, if I recall his name was "Metroactus" and I am very sure he is on JWN's webiste. He is very smart with the concept of Evolution and I.D. I wish he would comment on this topic, he is up there with Greg Stafford in mentally gifted self-taught brilliance. I wonder why so many people on JWN who know the subject of Atheism, Evolution, Christian Morales, Islamic Forced Conversions from birth to death, do not speak up on JWN. Should I assume they are tired from speaking this topic or have most of these threads gone up in spoke from anger and outrageous name calling? Why can't we talk about things without name calling?

Sorry I amended the post Cofty, I was trying to juggle three different things while writing the first thread, it will not happen again after this post! Please forgive this error, I was not trying to trick or do something unethical my friend :)!

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The Watchtower Writers need to answer this question "Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history!"

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

how come the watchtower will not side with christendom and address a topic like the following?

what if christendom had allowed islam to spread it's plunder into europe without a fight and great force?

i direct your attention to islam spreading not as a distraction, but to ask the question most atheist have asked me when we talk of this subject.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

How come the Watchtower will not side with Christendom and address a topic like the following? What if Christendom had allowed Islam to spread it's plunder into Europe without a fight and great force? I direct your attention to Islam spreading not as a distraction, but to ask the question most atheist have asked me when we talk of this subject. Usually they will direct me to the Crusades and Wars with Islamic regimes to attack the merits of Christians. Do you think we would still be in the Dark Ages? Remember please, Islamic countries in the late 1800s and early 1900s were quite poor and no allowance for freedom of expression and thought was permitted. Do you know what the "Poll Tax" is for unbelievers of Islam, most Atheist and Christians and Jews were forced to convert to Islam because of the massive economic burden.

Next, who is behind the largest amount of murders in the shortest period of time, let's say the last Century, how many people were killed under Atheist rulers vs Christian Rulers?

Would you exist now if Christians and other religions had not fought off the threat of Islamic Aggression? May your life have peace and remember, I love you all but I am tired of hearing the lies about Christians killing the most, let's talk about the merits of men who were in charge of Government who had the ability to better the human race and our experience, how did they do in their short bloody period?

Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1121/p09s01-coop.html

a interesting qoute "Atheist hubris

The crimes of atheism have generally been perpetrated through a hubristic ideology that sees man, not God, as the creator of values. Using the latest techniques of science and technology, man seeks to displace God and create a secular utopia here on earth. Of course if some people - the Jews, the landowners, the unfit, or the handicapped - have to be eliminated in order to achieve this utopia, this is a price the atheist tyrants and their apologists have shown themselves quite willing to pay. Thus they confirm the truth of Fyodor Dostoyevsky's dictum, "If God is not, everything is permitted."

Let's do the math and count how many people you think died under Christians ruling versus Atheism. Salem "Witch trials" were they only 25 who died?

Dinesh D'Souza's

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Design or Non-Design, finally we know, Darwin's Doubt

by QC in

jw
friends

if you want to read the definitive explanation on fossils and how life arrived its covered in darwins doubt, by s.c. meyer.

this is a game changer.

the bomb!.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Hi Captian Obvious, I am going to take this subject to a new thread of it's own, why not create some new information for Atheist, Agnostics, Christians, Jews, Muslims to entertain on JWN?

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Who has had their District Convention seats stolen by other Witnesses?

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

over the years i have had to deal with this problem personally and as a attendant covering my section at various convention centers.

i had people who were suppose to be decent jehovah witnesses pick up all the books, bags and coolers belonging to brothers and sisters who arrived at the appropriate time and picked them up and dumped them all at the end of the seating row.

so here is what goes down, the sister runs up to me panicking and saying "dear brother, i had all those seats reserved for my family and now look!

ÁrbolesdeArabia

These are the topics that will set JWs free, we need to show how "Anti Love" the and Power Craving the religion really is. You all have some great stories about bad-JWs or were they actually getting ready for their "Land Grab" as Prolos said?

My grandma was at Dodger Stadium and sat in the heat all day, when the Sun shifted she was asked to move to the seats where the Sun was now shining. She told them to Go to Hell, or said "No!" The "heavy hitters" wanted her seats now after sitting in the heat (100 degrees) with her kids, is that the love Jesus Christ said?

How were these "Heavy Hitting JWs" showing how humble they are? They are not humble, they are arrogant theives who stold one of the pieces of Jesus clothes that were divided off, we need to take one of his garments they bought from the Roman Centurian because they are not wearing it well!

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Do beleivers have a problem with GODS silence in this technological/communication age ? and if not why not ? ?

by smiddy in

jw
friends

why would the creator of the universe ,according to the bible ,converse ,either by angels,prophets,or in one or two occassions personally with humans centuries ago , and lets face it they are nowhere near as educated and enlightened as the present generation , and not communicate with the present generation.?

shoudnt their be more reason for him to communicate with his creation today than ever before ?

and using the excuse that jesus life and experiences does not cover it.jesus never wrote anything down.the scriptures themselves say everything he said could not be recorded because it would fill volumes ???

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Good Mornig My dear friend Cofty! I thought as simple as Qcmr puts it, what was the driving force of those electrons doing their things? It's a gigantic leap to believe "A Chaotic Force" and a pre-Life Earth end's up with Geochemistry transistioning into biochemistry! Can we allow him to speak since he is the one who so cleverly attacked us I.D.er's, me and you will have our time, it's going to be like my chess lessons with Dr.Merli! argggg!

Was it a blind and chaotic (No God, No direction, just pure chance) forces that drove the single-complex cells from nothingness (the primordial soup) or did they come from space? Even Dawkins had said that those single cell buggers might have come from Space? Yet we begin to go circular again, where did those single-cells come from out in Space? Where they complex like single-cell life is or was it goooo?

Qcmr should explain in his own words how life evolved from Blind-Chaos, it sounds like a good bed-time story I would enjoy. Much better than a alien force terraforming Earth and planting life here to develop. Life in our everyday experience teaches us that complex structures do not come from Chaos, maybe in Qcmr's world everything magically does? Who is the one with more faith, us our him?

"AA - The clue is in the word "spontaneous". There is no comparison between the belief that cheese produces mice and the transition from geochemistry to biochemistry. The precise details of how it happened are still being researched but ultimately it was just electrons doing their thing.

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Do beleivers have a problem with GODS silence in this technological/communication age ? and if not why not ? ?

by smiddy in

jw
friends

why would the creator of the universe ,according to the bible ,converse ,either by angels,prophets,or in one or two occassions personally with humans centuries ago , and lets face it they are nowhere near as educated and enlightened as the present generation , and not communicate with the present generation.?

shoudnt their be more reason for him to communicate with his creation today than ever before ?

and using the excuse that jesus life and experiences does not cover it.jesus never wrote anything down.the scriptures themselves say everything he said could not be recorded because it would fill volumes ???

ÁrbolesdeArabia

What's the difference between your beliefs Qcmr and Spontaneous generation when it comes to how life evolved on earth?

"spontaneous generation, the hypothetical process by which living organisms develop from nonliving matter; also, the archaic theory that utilized this process to explain the origin of life. According to this theory, pieces of cheese and bread wrapped in rags and left in a dark corner, for example, were thus thought to produce mice, because after several weeks there were mice in the rags. Many believed in spontaneous generation because it explained such occurrences as the appearance of maggots on decaying meat."

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/560859/spontaneous-generation

It's much easier to belive in things that go against everything we see and observe on a daily basis. Aldus Huxley put it adroitly when he said that he felt the reason why evolution and atheist were so popular was it allowed everyone to do what they wanted to do without any type of retribution or accounting of sorts in the End.

"Shortly after Darwin published On the Origin of Species in 1859, Pasteur began to challenge the idea of spontaneous generation-the foundation of the evolutionary view on the origin of life. Pasteur's simple, but elegant swan-necked flask experiments not only put to rest the organic life-from-non-life idea, but also set the foundation for the law of biogenesis: life only comes from life. The genesis of germs in hospital patients were the result of microbes having parents, not a result of spontaneous generation. This revolutionary idea would have application in many areas of medicine. It forms the basis of sterilization, asepsis in surgery, and the germ theory of disease."

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/arj/v1/n1/louis-pasteurs-views

Can you give me some kind of idea how totally blind and random, cold and cruel forces of the Universe going against our personal everyday experiences of how we see things created, began to create the Universe, the Laws of Physics, the great planet we live and and all the life we experience everyday? Your account seems much better than a magic God, telling us that everything came from ??? What did it come from and how?

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Design or Non-Design, finally we know, Darwin's Doubt

by QC in

jw
friends

if you want to read the definitive explanation on fossils and how life arrived its covered in darwins doubt, by s.c. meyer.

this is a game changer.

the bomb!.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Snare and Racket, when we compare the volume of killings done in the 20th Century by men who repudiated their religious upbringing in favor of a Atheist World view, I don't feel that warm and fuzzy feelings you are getting from it.

Stalin rejected his Orthodox upbringings in favor of Atheism and Mao his Buddism and Hitler used religious rhetoric to get the crowd to vote for him and later attacked the Christian concept of "compassion, equality, empathy" as weakness using Nietzsche's philosophies (not Christian, atheist) and who did Hitler surround himself around? Hitler picked out the most wicked men who hated religion, attacked the Church and Christianty as a weakness to Nazi Germany, his Atheist A-list were Joseph Goebbels, Heydrich and Bormann.

How many people did these wonderful men kill while preaching "God is Dead!"? The amount of humans killed by these men exceed far more than the Church is suppose to have killed, in the 20th century, it's estimated over 100,000,000 were killed by Atheist rulers. This number is exponetially higher than anything the Catholic or Protestant Church ever did. What enlightment did the new Atheist rulers bring to their countries with their ability to deny morality and question if anything is really wrong?

Why should anyone who is religious want to listen to the rich history of killing factories developed by Atheist rulers who lived by the creed "Morality is questionable", Christian qualities like "compassion, equality, love your neighbor, empathy, self-sacrificing love" were signs of weakness in favor of the philospher who went insane and preached "Superman" Nietzche's philosphy of stomping the weak? Those men eliminated morality and did not fear a judgement, look how well that went for their people. The greatest killing mahcines in history were countries who have a that strong anti-Christian and anti-moral world-view.

You posted many "appeals to emotion" arguments so I guess that open's the thread for it. Atheism had it's chance to demonstrate how superior it was during the 20th century, and it turned out to be the greatest killer of humans without regard for their being, their education, it was quite indiscriminate at killing anyone for any reason they deemed good! The rich culture of exquiste tortures and heritage of a Hundred Million brutal killings, rapes and bludgeoning deaths is the price to pay for having no morals.

I would rather believe in a "taking snake", "talking donkey" and a "Global food" than believe humans are nothing more than "Soil and Green".

Wall Street and the Business Community has been exposed to the toxic thoughts that morality is subjective, so why not steal from anyone you can? The teachers in those schools did not focus on morals, ethics (if there is not God, why not steal and take from the weakest?) and qualities that taught them to "Love your fellow as yourself!". Really, is anything truly bad or wicked with a worldview where you believe you have nothing to answer for when you die?

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Do beleivers have a problem with GODS silence in this technological/communication age ? and if not why not ? ?

by smiddy in

jw
friends

why would the creator of the universe ,according to the bible ,converse ,either by angels,prophets,or in one or two occassions personally with humans centuries ago , and lets face it they are nowhere near as educated and enlightened as the present generation , and not communicate with the present generation.?

shoudnt their be more reason for him to communicate with his creation today than ever before ?

and using the excuse that jesus life and experiences does not cover it.jesus never wrote anything down.the scriptures themselves say everything he said could not be recorded because it would fill volumes ???

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Thinking about that subject today, I do not understand why we have been in the longest period of time without God speaking to humanity. The time period from Adam to Enoch to Noah, God spoke to each of them and the Earth was considered wicked and corrupted. Why can't he let us know, are we prone to make the same mistakes as Isreal made when they were delivered from slavery and bondage? I feel like we are in uncharted time, everyone has been fooled over the last two thousand years trying to figure out when Jesus would return. The Watchtower must feel utterly lost and disheartened with the sheer volume of years that have come and gone. Sir Isaac Newton went insane it's said trying to figure out when Jesus would return to the Earth, he thought God had silent too long and wanted Jesus to return so we could hear from our Father who created us.

God speaking to Abraham and Melchezdick the king-priest, the time frame is not as long as the "Silent Period' from Malachi to Mark, what's that? I think it's about 400 years. The same amount of time God went silent from Joseph in Egypt to the Jews delivery, that's about 400 years.

Time passes and the book say's the "Word of Jehovah had become scarce during the period of Josiah", I don't think Four Hundred years passed by during this period of time, if the "Word of Jehovah was scarce" over the period of the wicked acting Kings of Isreal and Judah, what do you call our Two Thousand years of silence? We have technology to see how advanced the human body is, the DNA and human body are complicated beyond our current understanding. We have his word with Creation, the understanding of the correct placement of the Earth and all the other planets and I can keep going. I wish we had more information from Jehovah but I am a tiny human being trying to grasp the Eternal Father who created Space, Time and according to some theorhetical physicist, "Ten Dimensions" and a "Multi-verse.

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Who has had their District Convention seats stolen by other Witnesses?

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

over the years i have had to deal with this problem personally and as a attendant covering my section at various convention centers.

i had people who were suppose to be decent jehovah witnesses pick up all the books, bags and coolers belonging to brothers and sisters who arrived at the appropriate time and picked them up and dumped them all at the end of the seating row.

so here is what goes down, the sister runs up to me panicking and saying "dear brother, i had all those seats reserved for my family and now look!

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Over the years I have had to deal with this problem personally and as a Attendant covering my section at various Convention Centers.

I had people who were suppose to be decent Jehovah Witnesses pick up all the books, bags and coolers belonging to brothers and sisters who arrived at the appropriate time and picked them up and dumped them all at the end of the seating row. So here is what goes down, the sister runs up to me panicking and saying "Dear brother, I had all those seats reserved for my family and now look!" I look and see a pile of all the families belongings thrown on the end of the row, so I head over to the seats and ask them "What is going on?" The Witnesses who are now sitting down fifteen minutes while the music is playing, now say "We got here and these seats were empty!" I blew a gasket because I saw that sister put those items in the row I was monitoring and she had all her family with her next door with special needs situations.

It was disheartening to hear the Witnesses lie but I was not new to their game, this same B.S. happened to me in Long Beach, Ca once and Cow Palace another time, so I boldly say, you moved their stuff and you need to find your own seats. The situation now is getting overblown because the freak shows who desire those seats start getting loud, lying more boldy and the family says "If you make us move, we will leave the Convention!" Three elders are now standing there trying to solve this puzzle while I blurt out "Go ahead, if you feel the need to steal these seats from this family, maybe you don't belong with Jehovah's people because they do not lie or steal their brothers seats!" She took down my name and said she was going to write the Society, she said she personally knew the Governing Body and President of the Tower and promised me a life of Hell!"

The lack of unity with the elders at the Convention blew me away, some felt she and her hicks should keep the seats and dump this family who got the seats the right way. The solution by "Goofus and Dufus" my helper elders, the sister who had the seats first, should move to the "disabled area" or "senior section". I thought she should keep her seats and stand her ground and our sister and her family now wante their seats and said they would leave if we did not fix the problem. What a mess this was becoming as the sister and he family are getting snotty, now becoming loud to gather the attention of other friends sitting next to them. Making a scene and being lead by two of their elders, the theives of seats, moved down to the elderly section, with better seats because they screamed the loudest.

Show up late, take all the belongings of your brothers and sisters and throw them down the end of the row and lie through your teeth. Reward after making everyone around you uncomfortable and shaking with anger and stress, you get better seats and screw with the people who are doing the job for the friends. Often, the Convention Center brought out the worst qualities of the Jehovah's Witnesses who behaved badly at eateries, Hotel help and the public they pretend to be good while treating their brothers and sisters like dirt! Has this happened to anyone you know?