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ÁrbolesdeArabia
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Since the wt is discredited, what is the pillar and support of truth now?
by prologos insince the wt with its doctrines past and present is discredited, is there an entity that can be shown to be the latter- day "-----pillar and support of truth---" paul was writing about at i tim 3:15.?
have the believers or non-theists or exjws an equivalent at all ?
because humans like to huddle around the fire for the radiant heat.
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marijuana
by Honeybucket inupdate from an elder:.
you cannot be a witness if you grow pot.
they say the fed government on growing squashes state law or iniatives.
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ÁrbolesdeArabia
JWN posters have established the abuse of wine is rampant in the Organization, dating back to Judge Rutherfords affintiy for the "drink". Which Bible rituals are highlighted in a positive way with heavy wine drinking? Noah? Lot, Boaz, Hopni, Phinas, and Eli, Aaron (High Priest sons) "Drunkards of Ephraim"
Bible views on drunkards " Ephesians 5:
15 Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the best use of the time, because the days are evil. 17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. 18 And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit, 19 addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, 20 giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ."
KNOX" Galatians 5:
" 18 It is by letting the spirit lead you that you free yourselves from the yoke of the law. 19 It is easy to see what effects proceed from corrupt nature; they are such things as adultery, impurity, incontinence, luxury, 20 idolatry, witchcraft, feuds, quarrels, jealousies, outbursts of anger, rivalries, dissensions, factions, 21 spite, murder, drunkenness, and debauchery. I warn you, as I have warned you before, that those who live in such a way will not inherit God's kingdom. 22 Whereas the spirit yields a harvest of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, forbearance, 23 gentleness, faith, courtesy, temperateness, purity. [ d ] No law can touch lives such as these; 24 those who belong to Christ have crucified nature, with all its passions, all its impulses. 25 Since we live by the spirit, let the spirit be our rule of life; 26 we must not indulge vain ambitions, envying one another and provoking one another to envy. "
KJV 21 1 PETER 5:8:
8 Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour"
NLT Isaiah 5:
"What sorrow for those who get up early in the morning
looking for a drink of alcohol
and spend long evenings drinking wine
to make themselves flaming drunk.
12 They furnish wine and lovely music at their grand parties-
lyre and harp, tambourine and flute-
but they never think about the Lord
or notice what he is doing."We have a local Congregation where elders get together and get "shit-faced" as they bash sisters and brothers on "anti-depressants" or pain medications. Getting drunk is cool according to their understanding of the Bible.
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marijuana
by Honeybucket inupdate from an elder:.
you cannot be a witness if you grow pot.
they say the fed government on growing squashes state law or iniatives.
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ÁrbolesdeArabia
They have no say over a State's ability to regulate a controlled substance, the Attorney General has been quiet since Colorado and Washington passed the new law. If you want to throw this out into the JWN Forum, I can tell you elders who believe "OxyMorphone", "Viccodin" "Norco", "oxycontin" are evil because they are made from opium, does that make their opinion valid?
It's ok to get drunk with booze but wrong to use medical mary-jane? You can accept "blood fragments" processed at facilities used to secure "whole blood products" but it's a sin to donate blood!
Why are you listening to men who have no authority over you, unless you handing your freedom over (Romans 6:15-18)
" 15 Well then, since God's grace has set us free from the law, does that mean we can go on sinning? Of course not! 16 Don't you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living. 17 Thank God! Once you were slaves of sin, but now you wholeheartedly obey this teaching we have given you. 18 Now you are free from your slavery to sin, and you have become slaves to righteous living."
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ÁrbolesdeArabia
The gist you get from Ray's updated "ISOCF" is he is not happy how anti-Watchtower individuals have not been honest or presented their grievances in a fair light.
Do you know what really hurts me? The fact Ray Franz was disfellowshiped for doing something "tens of thousands (if not more) JWs" do on a weekly basis with no punishment!
Ray Franz never behaved irrational, rabid or unholy and his works might slip away because the "Lie" want's to outlive the "Truth"!
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Looking After Widows and Orphans... and Spending One's "Riches"
by AGuest into the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
from time to time the issue of how to fulfill the "form of worship that is acceptable to god," mentioned by james in his letter, namely, looking after widows and orphans "in their tribulation"... comes up.
given the issue of tithing, the plethora of institutionalized charity choices, and the existence of ones in need, perhaps in our own households and families... but certainly in our towns, countries... and around the world... how does one fulfill this requirement?
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LHG: I want as far from the JWs now as I can get, so am proactive by dumping all my past friends, here's how most greetings went "How's your business going? How much money did you make this year? Are you still going out in field service or attending meetings" in this order (Notice it's money and business that's first talked about), once done with their que-card the "wall of silence" falls upon us.
I am very happy you have discovered life outside the Borg, the Sun shines brighter, and the Nights are not as dark! Peace be with you!
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-25-2012 WT Study (CONGREGATE)
by blondie incomments.
comments.
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WTWizard: I would like to know why they are trying to fill the "Blood of the New Covenant" into the the Jewish Religion, the "Old Wine-Skins" (Mark 2:22) (Luke 5:37) Jesus said would explode if the "New Wine was put this old skin vessels." 1 John 5:4 "Who is it that conqueors the World, he that confesses Jesus Christ is the Son of God!"
What do the Governing Body do all day? I think they try to figure out the best way of removing Jesus Christ from his own Kingdom! Avoid using his name, don't emphasize what Jehovah did for Jesus (Phillipians 2:1-8), or (Matthe 28:18) "All authority on Heaven and Earth has been given to me (Jesus Christ)", not a group of men the Devil sent to spy on Christian freedom, binding them with loads and burdens they refuse to lift themselves! Read Romans 6:15-18:
15 Well then, since God's grace has set us free from the law, does that mean we can go on sinning? Of course not! 16 Don't you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living. 17 Thank God! Once you were slaves of sin, but now you wholeheartedly obey this teaching we have given you. 18 Now you are free from your slavery to sin, and you have become slaves to righteous living.
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Jehovah's Witnesses dismayed by new magazine format from Watchtower Society.
by Balaamsass inwow.
i was surprised this week by calls from active jws complaining about the new magazine format, and more begging for money from the platform.. frankly i was surprized by this reaction since this is old news to jwn members.
i guess actually shuffling to the bookroom and grabbing the new "awake tracts" minus the inside cover forward ...awakened many sleepy, catatonic, bored jws who never read the things or go on the internet anyway.. any feedback from other areas?.
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@Zid, your prayers by the old ones were only 15 minutes in the hot blazing Sun? The nuts from New York could give a "talk-prayer", I kid you not, 45 minutes here in the 1970s during the "Seven-Days-Of-Severely-Suffering" Assembly "Camp-Outs" Dawn to 9pm :(
"paintedToes" remember staying after the regular sessions to listen to experiences until 8-10pm? These were "Options" but the hint was made "lovers of Jehovah will stay for updating information from Malawi, Russia, China, blah, blah.blah! Can you remember getting "snow cones" with those tickets used as currency?
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Looking After Widows and Orphans... and Spending One's "Riches"
by AGuest into the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
from time to time the issue of how to fulfill the "form of worship that is acceptable to god," mentioned by james in his letter, namely, looking after widows and orphans "in their tribulation"... comes up.
given the issue of tithing, the plethora of institutionalized charity choices, and the existence of ones in need, perhaps in our own households and families... but certainly in our towns, countries... and around the world... how does one fulfill this requirement?
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@longhairedgirl: I can't think of anyone who want's crazies showering their face with,plaque, tarter and saliva as they "rant and rave" about nothing! I can still see and picture the stinky unbathed ones who smell like "fermented cat-urine", and JWs bring these nuts into a Kingdom Hall, Miasma and All!
You and I probably stopped feeling guilt trying to bring the other group to meetings, service, the incontient members. You know the ones other tier-one JWs avoided bring in their cars but told their "tier-two members" to help assist the "defacators" or "pants wetters."
The Clean-Organization, how many GB members helped bring filthy people to a Kingdom Hall? The COs or DOs never had to push the "wheel-chairs carrying mystery body oders" into a Kingdom Hall only to have the friends freak out or caugh!
I worked near 2nd Street in Down Town Los Angeles (Near the old Banking District) for periods of time "Skid-Row" (Sebastian Bach :)))) at points I reached "Compassion Overload", I wanted out of that area as fast as possible, the perpetual begging, stench of rot, beer, urine, excrement make my stomach roll as I write this. Groups from the "Mission" would descend onto this region, have "foot washings for Winos", and this made them feel close to God!
Just don't put to much faith into any particular group, I think your experieince with the JWs has taught you as much. I learned in the "high end society" there are just as much shit-heads and devils as there are in any class of humans. We have to trust our guts, and learn quick which people might best be left with less than a quick glance.
I guess I lost my thread ideas, I agree with you whole-heartedly with avoiding as many whackos as possible, sometimes I have no choice with certain charities (even Paul Ryan went to the Soup Kitchen when nobody was there!) who I will interact with but I enjoy the work.
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How Would "Who Is Candace Conti" Bumper-stickers go over?
by ÁrbolesdeArabia inyou think if i had a few hundred made up and passed them out, would we throw some attention in the "court of public opinion" on this topic?.
i am confounded how many jws don't know anything about the pedophile issues plaguing the watchtower society!
is this a stupid idea or waste of money?
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That's why I asked for input, she's a hero for standing up the the Goliath who refused to bring her justice. I do wish we could flush out some more of the old elders who are trying to muzzle anyone for talking about in-house pedophiles under their protection. I do not wish to drag her name around to get back at these bastards, she has the right to personal privacy and this subject is very delicate with victims. The Watchtower has failed to apologize for any wrongdoing, afraid lawsuits would pile up, so they deny knowing anything and write cheap letters like the 1997 POS.
They are doing a poor job of keeping their eyes on these sex fiends who most Psychologist and Psychitrist say "never change". The Congregation had a picnic and the pedophiles were able to roam around without any elders keeping their eyes on this men. One might be a candidate according to the October Elder Body Letter "Supplemental Report" where it's clear that pedophiles who sinned long ago, might have built up a good reputation with the Congregation and the Elders and could "be used in the Hall again".
The COBE I mention, his mother dated pedophiles when he was a child, I thought he would be as sick of them as I am, not! I could go into details but some things are best left unspoken.
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Recommended reading for Jehovah's witnesses and friends
by Healthworker inhttp://www.amazon.com/crisis-conscience-raymond-franz/dp/0914675249/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=utf8&qid=1354095941&sr=1-1&keywords=crisis+of+conscience.
http://www.amazon.com/search-christian-freedom-raymond-franz/dp/0914675176/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=utf8&qid=1354095976&sr=1-1&keywords=in+search+of+christian+freedom.
http://www.amazon.com/combatting-cult-mind-control-best-selling/dp/0892813113/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=utf8&qid=1354096024&sr=1-1&keywords=combating+cult+mind+control.
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It's hard to recommend any other books currently than Ray Franz's books.
I read the book "I am perfect and your not" and wanted to puke due to her less than honest book! Other books I came across again, we need to recommend books we know are not lying, what if a book say's crazy shit like "JWs would dress in black on Sunday and close all their windows (We don't have windows in most Kingdom Halls) and perform a Satan offering with a baby sacrifice? Would we post it as a good read to get revenge with the Watchtower Society even though we know it's a lie or call it a heaping pile of pig shit?
One reason Ray's books have hit so close to home, is his ability to relay everything that took place, he has kept incredible records, was in a position nobody else has been at.
Ray Franz makes the comments why so many anti-JWs fail to gain traction, when you are claiming how bad a Organization is and your conduct is not stellar, people will find out the truth eventually. I heard lies about Ray when I was a kid, I heard he had severe mental problems (Ray admitted to depression from battling the parasites and poor conditions in the Islands around the United States).
Why is Franz's book so attractive in my eyes? It's because he provides evidence, real life experiences only JWs could understand, and a strong love for his fellow Christians with strong Bible knowledge, his deep desire for a spiritual relationship with Jesus Christ and Jehovah God. Ray does address people who leave for reasons they are not telling their public, disfellowshipings for outrageous sins or sin's against Jehovah or your own body.
So if I was to pick three books of a all-time favorite, I would go with these books. I thought of buying Don Cameron's book but it seems redundant to what Ray's first book addresses and what his second book goes on into great details. Don's book might be a future purchase after I read ISOCF a second time. I hate books that lie (Ray Franz again highlights why he avoided making contact with lying apostates on the TV circuit) and we lose our only chance to catch a audience who might give us one chance, before they decide the Society was right that we are all nothing but a group of hateful people (which is a giant lie) and are truly "mentally diseased". I hope nobody takes this post wrong, I am tired of people lying about our brothers and sisters, whether they are pro or anti-JWs.
1. Crisis Of Conscience Ray Franz
2. "In Search Of Christian Freedom Ray Franz
3. Ray qoutes from this older book, I did not look up the author of it " Combatting Mind Control Cults "