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  When Will The Watchtower Org, Pick Up The Tab For Traveling Overseers Apartments?

  by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

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  2. beliefs

  we have a tiny apartment attached to our kingdom hall, a retired "traveling couple" now lives in.

  the society did not pay for the materials, labor or fees to build their little home they appreciate.

  you all should see how happy, "all smiles :)" this old couple is, to have a home after forty years on the road.. .

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  zeb, in Greece there is a monstary way up on some mountain where you are lifted up in a cage, old monks pull the rope (takes 20-30 minutes to be slowly cranked up the mountain) and you are isolated from reality. The Greek Orthodox have some great libraries, monastaries that look down on the valley below.

  Watchtower should have built their "Patterson Building" in the Rocky or Sierra Nevada Mountain Range, to avoid having to be trouble with a little thing called "reality". Zeb, if you have never seen those high built places, I can post a few videos for you. Avoid the World, while you try to control it?
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  If you are fader, how do you handle assignments etc.

  by Slidin Fast in

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  Moeshe, love your cartoon! I notice the most ethical brothers who step down from the platform, "little-toe" and many others do not want to enrage the "holy spirit" or be hipocrites. Remaining a elder when you have left the Organization mentally, knowing there is nothing you can do to change Bethel's mind, is something my weak-conscience could no longer tolerate. My life experiece full of men who were half-hearted even though they did believe all the spew that came from WTS was bad enough. Wow, I can't imagine giving parts when I believe I am backing a evil organization, it's to ulcerating dude!

  Ray Franz and Ed Dunlop should have lied and kept their fine place at Bethel, they were both great speakers with scholarly skill-sets. I am sure if they just waited until all their nemesiss died off, they could have made a huge dent? If only Jesus Christ had kept his mouth shut during his interrogation from the "High Priest" Caiphias, he would still be alive. It's a game I hated as a kid, watching and listening to kids give parts on going to "Bethel", "we will pioneer" or "Gilead Goals" when I knew they had no plans, because I sold them drugs in high school.
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  UPDATE on Jehovah's Witnesses killed and injured in bus crash to convention. Will Watchtower assist with expenses?

  by Balaamsass in

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  jehovah's witnesses miami international airport bus crash update: 2 passengers still critical.

  bus was heading to convention in west palm.

  two passengers on the bus that smashed into a concrete overpass at miami international airport remain in critical condition in a hospital.

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  I don't think I have seen the Watchtower Society pay for anything in my life, maybe they pay the small "allowance" provided to their "company men".

  Balaam, you know we had to pay for the expenses of the Traveling Overseers visit to our Kingdom Halls. I can remember when those cost were $38 for the week, now it's tripled since those good old days.

  We pay the "health Insurance", "car insurance" "car lease", while many rank-and-file have no health insurance. Does this mean most rank-and-file are not worthy of "health insurance" because the Watchtower tells them to look for terrible jobs, low paying-employment with flexible hours with no-brains required?
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  Who Should Pay For My Wife's Funeral? Me or the Congregation? She killed herself.

  by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am a jw rule breaker, and i have never been a "rat", as logic dictates i am very trusted with people's dealings (inner circles of local players).

  "dear james, there is a brother whose wife pretty much killed herself two years ago and refused to pay for her funeral."...

  "he is still in good standing after forcing the congregation to pay for her burial, "wake" and funds for her poor kids to attend the funeral.".

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  The kids after a few months of being "dicked with" were finally able to pick up their mother's few items. The brother tried to dump them off at the "thrift store" to be a asshole (I was told a elder yelled at him and promised if he pulled this stunt, he would no longer be his friend (His last friend in the Kingdom Hall). so the husband finally threw her items into a plastic bag onto his front yard and told the kids "You have a few hours until they are going into a trash can, get up her and pick them pu now!" A brother picked up the items with his wife, to hold for the kids and they got everything she had(not much).

  The troll-brother's congregation did come together as the kind people they are(not including the husband, he is now despised by the majority, jumped Halls a few times and received a "cold reception each Hall.) and paid for the everything. Some congregations with little means can have the biggest hearts, it's nice to know there are still good people trying to act under Christ's "Royal Rule".
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  "Never receive him into your homes"

  by sd-7 in

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  2. friends

  i was just thinking about that scripture, 2 john 9-11, if i remember correctly.

  jehovah's witnesses use it to justify their shunning of members who have been expelled.

  a thought just occurred to me about it.

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  This scripture applies to anyone who comes into your home and teaches "Jesus did not die for everyone, he only died for a special group of men". Do your homework and you will see that anyone who deny's Jesus came in the flesh and died "for the whole world's sins (not just a small group") are the anti-christs!
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  "Never receive him into your homes"

  by sd-7 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just thinking about that scripture, 2 john 9-11, if i remember correctly.

  jehovah's witnesses use it to justify their shunning of members who have been expelled.

  a thought just occurred to me about it.

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  This scripture applies to anyone who comes into your home and teaches "Jesus did not die for everyone, he only died for a special group of men". Do your homework and you will see that anyone who deny's Jesus came in the flesh and died "for the whole world's sins (not just a small group") are the anti-christs!
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  Did Ray Franz Go On The "Talk Show", "Radio Show", "Church Circuit" To Bash WTS?

  by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i notice in ray's books he has a disdain for the more vocal dissidents of the watchtower organization.

  with this being said, did ray franz go on shows like merv griffen, oprah and other "talk mediums" to attack the watchtower society?

  i remember as a kid my mother running up and turning off shows apostates were to appear on, and i can't remember if ray was one of the 'bashers'?

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  Hi "Mouthy", the lie was that "Ray left Cynthia for another woman, and she took him back after his sordid affair". When it comes to making up lies about "exJWs, there is no moral obligation to tell the truth. I once asked to borrow "The Commentary on the Letter of James", one old Jehovah Witness couple said "You know who wrote that don't you?", "yeah, I know it was Ray Franz" like this would shock me. The next additional information they provided was a bold-faced lie "You know he went insane don't you? He was going to give a talk at one of the "Big Conventions" and the Governing Body had put security-detail around him, a phone call from "the Top came and" and it was decided to pull his part from him and send him back to Bethel, because he was too much of a "wild card". This took place in the "South United States" the rumor's go.

  Yes, Jehovah's loyal Witnesses have no problem lying about Ex-JWs, is it any wonder they can gossip and cause hurt to anyone in their Kingdom Halls they preceive as a threat, from the weak-ones, to the "over-zealous free speaking" elders. I know things were getting a bit paranoid before I walked away from the Kingdom Hall, giving them back all that belonged to them. I am at a point I need to learn more so I don't get tricked again, how did you know you found Jesus Christ and the "Christian Freedom" that comes with that? Ed Dunlop mentioned the Witnesses "live in a world, where those with weak conscienes are offended easily and make the rules for the friend with strong consciences!

  The Newspaper article as splendid, thank you again Blondie!
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  Why do people proudly say they belong to Jesus ?

  by mP in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know what the statement means im just baffled why anyone would select words like "belong" or a that they are a "servant" of jesus ?.

  i mean ive never heard anybody say they belong to their parents or their spouse, so why are they property of jesus as in servitude ?

  why would anyon e then go about making boastful pronoucnements about how great jesus is after he requires total servitude ?

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  I enjoyed reading Dr. Paul L. Maier's fiction books dealing with real places in the Middle East. Dr. Maier is considered one of the most respected

  Bible land and Middle Eastern historians in his field. "Ancient Near East; Ancient Greece; Ancient Rome; Christianity and the Roman Empire; Reformation Era" My friend went on a "Middle Eastern Cruise" following the trails of one of St. Paul's missionary voyages. Greece, Turkey, and Isreal, part of their voyage in September was cancelled because of Syria, and other Middle Eastern uprisings.

  Dr. Maier's faith is stronger now, than when he first started in his field, he is not a young man but has the energy most men his age long for.

  "Topography also provides interesting traces of the supernatural dimension in Jesus' ministry. Bethany, where he raised Lazarus from the dead, according to John II, is still called "Betanya" by Israelis. But to the majority Arab population of that Jerusalem suburb, the name of the town is El-Lazariyeh, "the place of Lazarus." That name change was known as far back as Eusebius (church historian, A.D. ca 260-339), and exactly what one would expect if indeed Bethany had witnessed so great a miracle as the dead being raised.

  A similar instance is a southwestern suburb of Damascus. To this day, that location at the edge of the Syrian capital is named Deraya, "The Vision" in Arabic, because of what happened to Saul (the future St. Paul) on the Damascus Road."
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  Why do people proudly say they belong to Jesus ?

  by mP in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know what the statement means im just baffled why anyone would select words like "belong" or a that they are a "servant" of jesus ?.

  i mean ive never heard anybody say they belong to their parents or their spouse, so why are they property of jesus as in servitude ?

  why would anyon e then go about making boastful pronoucnements about how great jesus is after he requires total servitude ?

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  @design's is that of your own origin or something you read on "JesusNeverExisted.com"? We get plenty of darts thrown our way, but they are missing the "content" and orignality mark". Let's get some real evidence without qouting Wiki or "He-Man-Christian-Haters.com".
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  How did you break the news to your parents?

  by tootired2care in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so one of the things both me and my wife are faced with is breaking the news that we've stopped going to meetings to our parents.

  my wifes parents could go either way, they have made several critical remarks of the wt over the years, while my parents are die hard jw's.

  i tossed the idea around of sending a letter or doing a phone call or just not saying anything.. we've decided that were just tired of having to hide our true feelings and play pretend.

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  "too-tired" I am in your very situation right now and do not know how to handle the situation as Jesus help's embolden me. I am frustrated from hearing "You need to get back to meetings, before you end up dead!" "You want to see your Dad again, don't you in the New System?" There age make's this a hard decession as my step-parent is still very die-hard, but the rules don't always apply in their life.

  I know there is something about the JW religion with our parents that allows many of them to "check-out" from reality, I don't like people who tell me I need to get back to meetings, as they sit on their butts watching TV all-day judging me of throwing away my precious gifts. I know it's going to go over as a "lead ballon" once I tell them "I realize what is being taught is not Biblical and pushes into a area I feel is anti-christ activity "Jesus did not die for everyone, only the Governing Body members."

  @LWT: It feels there is nothing to gain by telling them to truth according to all the old theories elders were given in Eastern Europe, "Not everyone is entitled to the truth", your wisdom is always appreciated as I ponder towards your experiences. Thank you for helping people with a cool head, instead of blowing up every bridge or setting fire to all our past relationships. I don't like to hurt people or make fun of their beliefs, at the same time there are issues of great magnitude that are attacking Jesus Christ's death by the Governing Body. Thank you dear LWT!

  I am all ears to your ideas, how do I break this to my parents who are still drinking the "Grape Flavorade"?