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  We're getting warmer...Dateline NBC

  by sunscapes in

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  we must be getting warmer...the friday dateline just previewed on tonight's show is about the financial misdeeds of a church...should be a wedge in the door for the wts show.

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  sunscapes

  We must be getting warmer...the Friday Dateline just previewed on tonight's show is about the financial misdeeds of a church...should be a wedge in the door for the WTS show.
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  How many have you helped 'out?'

  by LDH in

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  after last week's post regarding how many people you helped become a jw, i thought it would be fun to see how many people you've helped become apostate.. i received a phone call from norway about an hour ago, ( a poster on this board) who tells me that i influenced his decision to leave the jws.

  (thanks, i)we've never met, only been email buddies.

  the written word is powerful, and many do read these forums.. hopefully, i'll be able to speak to his dyed in the wool jdub girlfriend, but for now i'm satan incarnate as far as she's concerned.[8>].

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  Acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 Sam 14:32-5 says Saul's army ate unBLED meat to not starve & no verses show God not forgiving them plus Christ (Mat 7) says God also forgave David's eating temple holy bread & that God wants Mercy Not Sacrifice.

  Also, Acts 15:20 applied specifically to the time only when ABUSE of blood through gladiatoral contests was a problem of that day. Transfusions RESPECT blood and life by providing a necessary tissue transplant in time of need.

  Don't Job 1:3, 3:1 & 3:3 (you must read all 3 verses) show Job's kids celebrated birthdays?

  Enlighten me. I read these verses, and all I saw was a vague reference to Job's "day" (his birthday). His childrens'?

  Also, just because negative events surrounded Biblical birthdays does not mean Christians cannot observe birthdays in a responsible manner like anniversary celebrations. Again the Christian freedom when used responsibly should override anyone's need to judge; that one judging would be dealt with in the same measuring stick.

  Doesn’t Col 12:16 say let none judge you about a holiday.

  Colossians 12:16 doesn't exist. A typo, perhaps, because Colossians 2:16 (NWT) reads, "Therefore, let no man judge you in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of a new moon or of a sabbath." Good scripture, anyhow.

  You HAVE to write about the UN scandal and duplicitous writing in the '92-'01 mags as well to really drive home the point. Unfortunately, all the misdeeds of the WTS fills entire hard drives, let alone a page.
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  To Jayhawk - Proclaimers Book Quotes

  by YoYoMama in

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  c. t. russell had been critical of those who had set various dates for the lords return, such as william miller and some second adventist groups.

  *** jv 61-3 6 a time of testing (1914-1918) ***.

  the years from 1914 to 1918 did, indeed, prove to be a testing season for the bible students.

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  A few years ago at a DC I noticed placard-carrying apostates with the caption: "Millions Now Living Will Never Die--Where Are They Now". I couldn't help but look at them and think...could they be right...what do they know that I don't...now I know who is correct.
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  Baptism Nullification

  by David Gladden in

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  several years ago i sent a letter to the elders of the congregation i was in notifying them that i no longer wished to be associated with the organization.

  over time my brother has moved up the ranks and has recently come across an interesting piece of information regarding my case.

  it turns out that the elders never filed my disassociation papers and never formally disassociated me.

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  Then you could re-baptize everybody and start a new religion. Ugh.

  Excerpt from the Proclaimers book, page 150 is very interesting,

  From the 16th century onward, this situation posed a problem for the Reformers. Since the name Christian was being used so loosely, how could they distinguish themselves from others who claimed to be Christians?

  Often they simply acquiesced to the use of a derisive nickname given to them by their enemies. Thus theological oppoonents of Martin Luther, in Germany, were the ones that first applied his name to his followers, calling them Lutherans. Those associated with John Wesley, in England, were labeled Methodists because they were unusually precise and methodical in the observance of religious duties. Baptists at first resisted the name Anabaptist (meaning "Rebaptizer") but gradually adopted the name Baptist as a sort of compromise.

  
  The article goes on to explain the many names given to the International Association of Bible Students in those days, namely, "Russelites", "Rutherfordites", "Millennial Dawnists", "Watch Tower People" and the like.

  The situation today of wanting to annul a baptism to join the Watchtower Society is not unlike that already that has taken place in sectarian religious history. Note the Anabaptists and the Reformers from which Russell based many of the early doctrinal format.
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  I just recieved an e-mail about Dateline!

  by WildHorses in

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  let's hope it's true.

  the e-mail follows.............. hello everyone i've been told dateline will air the jw story on .

  you should check your local listings to find out the time.

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  Dateline almost always has multiple stories in the same show...some run very short.
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  Malcom typical JW mindset

  by JT in

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  yada yada yada the truth answered the questions with sense but u still are bitter demonic humans its sad that u hate the truth but soon jehovah will send a fire ball with your name on it cheers.

  i had to show this to some nonjw today is friday and here in dc most gov workers are off till the 7th.

  we have over 450 folks in this office and only 21 folks are logged in and 7 which are the folks here in the it dept so it is slow- we got folks cleaning all the "space bars" on the pcs on the floor smile.

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  yes, 1, I agree with you that although Malcolm's posts are a crude extreme example, they do reflect an underlying mindset to exclusive path to salvation in the clips you quoted:

  "boat to Armageddon"; "Israelites all over again in the wilderness";"cry and moan against Jehovah"; "David,Moses,others"...all this points DIRECTLY to teachings the WTS uses to clamp down on any murmuring as rebellion of the same calibre as the OT examples of murmuring against Jehovah and his govt arrangements...However there is a huge difference between those examples and the situation today in the WTS. In order to be at par with the OT, Jehovah would clearly have means of choosing his reps like Moses, etc. through miracles and divine means of choosing, for example.
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  Wasted Life Story..The Uncaring Husband 1.2.02WT

  by ISP in

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  this is the wasted life story from the feb 1 2002 wt.. i would have entitled it the uncaring husband........ this guy gets married in 1954. tragically his wife has to have an operation to remove a brain tumor in 1957. this leaves her in a fairly desperate state.. as a result, my wife was left partially paralysed , and her speech center was badly affected.

  now a whole set of complicated challenges arose for both of us.

  even the simplest task became a major obstacle for my dear wife.

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  Hey Cyg, whasssup? You have to say "fuck" to get rid of all that snow-removal frustration down there in Fluffalo? God, the snow's taller than me and my kid put together!

  Anyway, you're right. It is f....d up. The wife "never complained or became demanding" because she took seriously the marriage vows and stuck by this theocratic twit no matter how much she pained inside.
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  Disfellowshipping-when did it start?

  by target in

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  does anyone know when the practice of disfellowshipping by the jws started?

  i doubt that it was done from the very beginning.

  i was asked that question this morning and it is not something i have ever thought about before.. target

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  Almost. Notice he said A.D. as opposed to the "Watchtower-ese-speak" "C.E." for common-era.
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  XJW MURDERER LONGO IS SON OF INDIANAPOLIS ELDER

  by MadApostate in

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  fbi wanted poster:.

  - http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?id=38050.

  newport, or - the hunt for christian longo is going on national television.

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  no KNOWN history of domestic violence (i.e. the kind that would show on a police blotter or background check).

  I lived through domestic violence toward my mother and myself for SIXTEEN YEARS and none of it was ever known (except to us). No record was ever generated and no reports were made to Children's Aid Societies or Child Protective Services.

  Until the investigators RELEASE the DETAILS, we do better to watch what we say. We can only speculate. The professor only knows what we do in terms of the facts of this case. Perhaps less so, because we know what pressures we live with/have lived through in being Witnesses.

  When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers ... we are ripping the foundations of justice from beneath future generations.
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  I've given the matter a lot of thought...

  by teejay in

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  the ascending majesty of do you hear what i hear?

  is very beautiful in its own right -- hard to beat.. let it snow!

  let it snow!

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  I like the Pops rendition of "O Holy Night" (98 degrees has nice version too with good harmony!)

  Feliz Navidad from where the only real white Christmas is down on the white sandy beach!