on the plus side there was good council about families and then there is that special feeling of the brotherhood you get.. on the negative side, the d.o.
gave the "ol talk about the "busier we are, it won't seem like the new world is taking so long" talk.
that's fine if you do'nt work for a living.
calebs airplane - That was pretty good. Are you on WTS writing department by any chance? That sounded way to close to the original.
You could slip that in a study and the r&f would say, 'where else could we get this timely spiritual nourishment? Thanks faithful slave!'
some people leave because they are fed up with the elders.
others have personality issues.
some have doctrinal and prophecy reasons.
jwfacts you have pm
from the december 15, 1909 watchtower:.
"while our faith and hopes would be equally clear and logical whether this age ends in october, 1914, or a century later, nevertheless our expectation that "gentile times" will conclude october, 1914, undoubtedly has a stimulating effect upon our hearts and influences all of life's interests and helps to "wean" us from earthly joys and ambitions and to set our affections on things above!
" [italics mine].
What is annoying with that statement, is the Watchtower and JW's now say they were correct - the gentile times did end in 1914. Yet it is clear that the expectation was for the new system to coincide with the end of the gentile times. After the failure of that prophecy, they redefined the expectation of gentile times, and now dishonestly claim they were not wrong
And they do the same with 1975 by saying 6000 years of mans history did end in 1975, we just don't know when God created Eve so we can't know exactly when the millennial reign will begin.
What a load of rubbish, good one Fred Franz.
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looking back now it is almost as if i became an atheist but still believed in my religion.
Hi Jonno. I enjoyed reading your story. I can relate to much of what you said. Once it's realized that the JW's don't have the truth, the mind is opened, nobody has all the answers, and the infinite learning and questioning can begin.
during the last three to four months, i have spent a great deal of time sinking my teeth into various critical biblical commentaries and lexicons.
naturally, after beginning to research "the truth about the truth" one of the most commonplace yet controversial arguments revolve around the "gentile times" doctrine (i.e.
the application of the seven times of daniel 4 from 607 b.c.e.
^That's exactly what I think Witness My Fury. Swamp and confuse so maybe any lurkers just get overwhelmed and think 'the Slave class must be right on this, they do such thorough research. And besides we all know Jesus became king in 1914'.
Most are happy with the historical evidence and a sound scriptural explanation that puts them both in harmony. Not our friend Leigon.
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The reaction of the JW family who came over and saw your child playing with a genuine Saprlock - Priceless.
at my last meeting i picked up the new feb 1, 2013 wt.
my first reaction was " is this a joke?
" i said so out loud to the literature servant.
What the!? I might bash my head against some concrete so I can better understand.
The further away from the religon you are the more puzzling this all becomes. How does anyone not see it.
i am surprised i have not noticed this before, particularly since this is one of the most important statistics, and so have just added the new graphs to watchtower publisher statistics.. the number of bible studies generally trends roughly with the number of publishers on a one to one basis.
however, the number of baptisms has not been rising.
this has resulted in a rapidly falling conversion rate.
Thanks for the info jwfacts. Your site is an invaluable resource to those who are still in but want to make a rational inquiry into their religon. And great for gathering info for family members who are still in.
Statistics like this are great because you can just mention a few at gathering of freinds and family and you almost sound like a keen WT student while presenting information that could actually weaken there faith/delusion.
In our congregation a while ago we had a local needs part about how to increase your hours in the misery. They stressed the fact that those with kids can count time and a bible study. The brother did the maths of how many actual hours in service those with kids would need to reach the national average compared to those without. It was a bit strange.
The witnessing work is such a drag for many witnesses. No one is interested. Knock on the door hope it's a not at home, don't bother recording them we are back soon enough. On the rare occasion you get through a introduction it's like 'oh crap you didn't shut the door on me, I have to have say something now, here have a watchtower'.
may you all have peace!.
so, as some of you might know (or discern)... or not... i am not your usual submissive/in subjection kind of girl.
given what some apparently expect of women... as wives, daughters, female friends... and in general... i was curious about the greater fulfillment of genesis 3:16, because many are of the belief that it applies to all women as to all men... (including those that aren't their husbands)... and not the just one being addressed at the time (eve as to adham).. personally, other than paul's position on women teaching in public (which was borne of what was occurring in the region at the time, due to by-then jewish culture and roman occupation)... and peter's admonishment for wives to submit themselves to their own husbands... that i know of nothing that validates a woman being in subjection to anyone other than her own husband, and even then such "subjection" is not puerile or unrestrained (so as to just be a given), but borne of love and respect for her husband (in which case it should not be difficult)... who is obligated to honor her, as well.
Here's a gem from the Jeremiah book that the witnesses are studying now. I stumbled over it by chance the other day and thought the ladies on here might appreciate it. Taken from page 75 - 'As a housewife scrubs even the hidden corners of her kitchen to keep her home clean and sanitary, a repentant person should work hard to clean up his thoughts' Wow. Notice not just someone or a cleaner or a home carer but specifically a housewife. What a privilege women have in God's organization. And if you housewives keep the hidden corners really sanitary, you don't even have to wear a head covering! But remember to change out of your work uniform into your pretty dress for family worship evening.
according to the reports in the scriptures there were 13 persons in the upper rrom in jerusalem on nisan 13,14,15?
assembled fot the passover.. when the bread and wine were passed, 11 or 12 (depending on the reporter) were served.
these had an earthly hope, expected to eat and drink in the kingdom and rule soon in jerusalem.
Why can't you understand the Faithfull Slaves reasoning?
Have you made it a matter prayer? Be specific when you pray. Get out in the ministry more. Become steadfast having plenty to do in the work of The Lord. Give heartfelt comments at the meetings.
Are you happy to wait on Jehovah?
Your not supposed to think about these things. Avoid independent thinking. Satan has got you.
