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  You-are-too-dumb: Proper handling of nested magazines (BOE Letter)

  by pixel in

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  to all bodies of elders.

  re: proper handling of nested magazines.

  dear brothers:.

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  They are some strange morphed advertising...thing...I can't even think of how to describe it.

  I can think of a word. . . . .
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  What is your religious belief now?

  by jwfacts in

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  i have a new poll at jwfacts.mobi/pollsarchive/ as i am very interested to see what people have moved on to believe.

  as this is considered sensitive by some, you can answer anonymously at the jwfacts.mobi/pollsarchive/, or answer on this thread.

  this is what i have created in the list, but feel free to add comments, corrections, or options i have missed.. .

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  The fact that I look at the different response options, and can't decide, probably shows that I am still working things out. I swing from Christian belonging to no denomination/spiritual but not religious, to a sought of agnostic view. But I am still thinking about many things. I guess for now I am happy with being a mentally diseased apostate, or maybe a disciple of Jw.net or Jwfacts.

  I only ever knew the world inside the walls of the WT. Now that those walls are down, I am looking at the world very differently.
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  kindness of Jw's

  by d in

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  we got a call from a jehovah witness and they were willing to help shovel our drive way.

  i find it strange how these jw's take an interest in our welfare.where as others could care less.

  so i realize not all jw's are bad.if only more of them take a geuine interest in others they would not be so bad.

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  I know many JWs that are great people. Even some of the elders in the cong I am in are genuine caring people. It's just that they are all living in delusion. Sad.
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  Another rumor about changes in Watchtower and Awake

  by wannaexit in

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  it's only a rumor.

  but we all know that sometimes rumors become a reality.. supposedly the public watchtower and awake magazines will be combined together and the two shall become one.. i wonder if the present 16 page "rags" are becoming an embarrassment.

  they truly are rags of the lowest quality..

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  You know those polite calls who still allow dubs to knock on their door. Everyone had a call that would go nowhere but they always took mags.

  I know some dubs who would have about 30 of these calls. They will have the car boot loaded with mags for their 'magazine route'. The RV's go nowhere though, just lonely people who like a visit and are to polite to tell them they actually don't care for the literature, just want a visit now and then.
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  Ethos said: ''the GB have never claimed to have any special ability'' Some WT quotes..

  by punkofnice in

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  (wt 1957 june 15 p. 370) .

  watchtower 1957 june 15 p.370 "it is vital that werespond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of god.

  " (wt 1964 june 15 p. 365) .

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  @TheOldHippie

  If you think that the idea of the WT leaders being spirit directed/inspired or having truths revealed to them by Jehovah is just an old idea that is not really mentioned in the last few years/decades, you must have not attended meetings in a while. Either that or you are attending but not paying attention, because it comes up often.

  Even if they have not mentioned it in the last 20 years say, that really does not matter. At what point were they chosen by god to represent him as an organization, and when did they get these truths revealed? They live by this claim that they have been appointed by god, it justifies there existence. It does not matter if they have not emphasized it recently. ( they have anyway)

  At the last elders school there was a big deal made of being obedient to the slave. Jehovah requires obedience to the slave, even if it seems wrong in our minds. Jehovah can forgive the errors of the organization (org=slave=gb), but he won't accept any disobedience to the slave.

  Those 8 men in Brooklyn are the only people on earth that Jah and Jesus communicate with, and everyone has to acknowledge these men as receiving this position if they want salvation. That is the sad reality of the JW religon.
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  Discussion with family member who is an Elder in our congregation

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. jw
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  so about a week ago, i showed my cousin & her husband [an elder in our congregation] the picture on pg 29 of our 4/15/2013 study wt and asked, "if jesus is head of the congregation then where is he?".

  after several minutes of searching, dead silence.. i then asked if they had heard the part on the 2012 summer district conv the part about "our spiritual mother, where the c.o said that "the bible by itself does not shine thru as life-giving truths just by itself.

  " they were shocked and said that i must have misheard it because that would be apostasy.

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  @TheOldHippie

  The illustration shows the entire structure of the org from top to bottom. Jehovah and the angels, and there are many angels pictured, are leading the way. No Jesus.
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  Another rumor about changes in Watchtower and Awake

  by wannaexit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it's only a rumor.

  but we all know that sometimes rumors become a reality.. supposedly the public watchtower and awake magazines will be combined together and the two shall become one.. i wonder if the present 16 page "rags" are becoming an embarrassment.

  they truly are rags of the lowest quality..

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  That wouldn't surprise me Splash. It is their favorite word at all the conventions when they are trying to drum up urgency.
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  Two Witnesses stuck in a elevator or car without Chaperon. Would they fornicate? Yes/No

  by Witness 007 in

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  im amazed how going witnessing sisters who knew me for decades would sit only in the back seat on the way to the hall...to avoid any sex at the traffic lights!!!

  and chaperons 1840's style are needed because two witnesses alone for 10 minutes would go at it like animals even after all the training watchtower articles and talks being jahs clean org.

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  It might depend on the elevator music. . . . Just the generic type, then probably not. . . .

  Unchained Melody? . . Better organise the JC meeting, or have a very short engagement.
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  Two Witnesses stuck in a elevator or car without Chaperon. Would they fornicate? Yes/No

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  im amazed how going witnessing sisters who knew me for decades would sit only in the back seat on the way to the hall...to avoid any sex at the traffic lights!!!

  and chaperons 1840's style are needed because two witnesses alone for 10 minutes would go at it like animals even after all the training watchtower articles and talks being jahs clean org.

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  this is what I thought was so looney. I remember having to take separate cars out in service if only myself and a pioneer sister showed up for the service meeting during the week, as if we might happen to have sex on the way to the territory

  That would be awkward, having sex while out in the ministry. . . . . I mean, aren't the angels supposed to be watching?
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  I finally told my parents

  by nolongerconfused in

  1. watchtower
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  so as some of you already may know, i have stopped going to meetings for good and have nothing to do with wbts anymore...did not write a letter of disassociation because i dont believe an organization should spiritually execute me for rejecting men's tradition and false doctrine...some of you may recall i spoke to my wife and are in good terms, even though she's still an active jw.

  my parents are both active jw's...when i visited them yesterday, they clearly did not expect me to tell them i had left the "org"...to my huge surprise, after i explained to them i had found ttatt (truth about the truth) and gave compelling evidence of my reasoning, and using the scriptures, they totally sided with me...i was dumbfounded...one of my parents even brought up ray franz and his book coc....i was like wtf??.

  they told me all of these years they never had the guts to say anything about the hypocrisy in this org and they were glad that i as their son was able to step up and believe what is right and what is on the bible...they re-assured their love to me and they were happy i had found happiness in jesus christ and the need to have a personal relationship with him and not through a man made organization.... i totally did not expect this response from my parents...but it just leaves me to think that there are thousands of active jw's out there feeling the same way and don't have the courage to step up to the org...still don't know what they are going to do, but i got the feeling they will do the same eventually and move on from the wbts.... have a great week everyone.

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  Wow. That is awesome, i am very pleased for you. I hope this becomes the standard reaction jw relatives have, rather than the exception.