there is one lord, one faith, one baptism.. jehovah and jesus are also both spoken of as savior.
this is true because even though there are two personalities, and jesus also possesses a human body, they both also share the same substance or essence of god.
this is similar to my son who shares 50% of my essence in dna.
*** Pterist - Please don't mix theology with very bad science. Its so dishonest. j ust admit you are making stuff up, don't pretend its all scientific.
I read a very good book years ago it was called "straight and crooked thinking" ....
The word "ALL" in a sentence is very hard to defend,.
Have a blessed evening, don't be angry at a God, you don't believe exists. Forgive our efforts to find truth and meaning in life.
Shalom
there is one lord, one faith, one baptism.. jehovah and jesus are also both spoken of as savior.
this is true because even though there are two personalities, and jesus also possesses a human body, they both also share the same substance or essence of god.
this is similar to my son who shares 50% of my essence in dna.
Kosonen.....Yes, I agree, let us always in ALL scripture Believe what the Father says...1 John5:10-12
10 Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
Shalom...
there is one lord, one faith, one baptism.. jehovah and jesus are also both spoken of as savior.
this is true because even though there are two personalities, and jesus also possesses a human body, they both also share the same substance or essence of god.
this is similar to my son who shares 50% of my essence in dna.
*** every cell in our bodies depends on respiration and we get the fuel for that from what we eat and of course we also need oxygen for respiration****
I believe in quantum physics, they say that every cell at its root is oscillating-energy, ....we are told in scripture that Christ's earthly body was resurrected by God's power. It is also said this is the same power that we recieve when we are in Christ as we co-operate in his death and resurrection. Paul says at Galatians 2: 19-23, I am crucified with Christ therefore I no longer live, but the Christ that lives in me. Those who have shared this life will know what I am talking about.
there is one lord, one faith, one baptism.. jehovah and jesus are also both spoken of as savior.
this is true because even though there are two personalities, and jesus also possesses a human body, they both also share the same substance or essence of god.
this is similar to my son who shares 50% of my essence in dna.
Should we worship Jesus .....Yes.....the Father said that they may honor the Son the same way they honor him...
According to scripture the purpose of creating "mankind" was for His honor and glory....To enjoy God and bring him Glory...just sayin...
This process that Jesus went through was NOT to make HIMSELF perfect, as he already existed in Gods Form, but to bring MANKIND to its entended predestined purpose.
5 It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking. 6 But there is a place where someone has testified:
“What is mankind that you are mindful of them,
a son of man that you care for him?
7 You made them a little [a] lower than the angels;
you crowned them with glory and honor
8 and put everything under their feet.” [b] [c]
In putting everything under them, [d] God left nothing that is not subject to them. [e] Yet at present we do not see everything subject to them. [f] 9 But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
10 In bringing many sons and daughters to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through what he suffered.
Shalom
there is one lord, one faith, one baptism.. jehovah and jesus are also both spoken of as savior.
this is true because even though there are two personalities, and jesus also possesses a human body, they both also share the same substance or essence of god.
this is similar to my son who shares 50% of my essence in dna.
The New Creation......
As Jesus "bloodless" body did not see corruption to fulfill scripture, and his shed blood fulfilled all legal requirement....
It seems that on entering heaven this body was glorified with immortality as a NEW CREATION...
As he was the First and the Last in the original mortal creation, he is the First and Last in the New Immortal creation.
John the apostle said we see in a dim mirror what we will BECOME, he did not know for sure. Paul talks about the sowing of our physical bodies, and reaping through Christ, eternal / immortal qualities as spiritual bodies. We have these mortal bodies now for this entropic mortal Enviornment, so the NEW CREATION, that does not need food, sex, etc will have suitable bodies for the eternal state, as mortality is swallowed up by immortality.
Jesus's "body" in the book of Revelation is "out of this world" no pun intended.....his resurrected body was obviously transformed as he entered heaven at his assension and there represents humanity as the NEW CREATION, the NEW Adam, he is our "MAN" in heaven, our way, truth and LIFE to be like HIM.
Just sayin
Shalom
there is one lord, one faith, one baptism.. jehovah and jesus are also both spoken of as savior.
this is true because even though there are two personalities, and jesus also possesses a human body, they both also share the same substance or essence of god.
this is similar to my son who shares 50% of my essence in dna.
Perry, thanks for the article.
JWs will always argue as Russell, did that the Trinity is 3 Gods in One and/or 1 person in 3 manifestations. This is regarded as MODALISM and is NOT the isogesis teaching of the Trinity where SUBSTANCE is the common denominator. 1 John is very clear that the Eternal Son of God came into the world as the SUBSTANCE of God in flesh... the Eternal Life of God in Flesh 1 John 4:1-3...I don't necessarily agree completely with all aspects of the Nicene isogesis intrepation but Christ's divinity, same nature, same stuff as the Father is very evident.
The one Lord, faith, baptism, hope, is a great problem for the majority of JW. Their 2 hope theology has no scriptural support. The Christian Greek scriptures are for Christians...if there is another hope, then this is beyond scripture, and gone way ahead of Christ in speculation of rulership over other people of a different class...Man was intended to rule over the earth and possibly the universe NOT rule over other humans.
i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.
i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.
therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.
Ethos ...You still ignore this question ..
Scriptural reference of who is regarded as the "EXILES" that were promised a return from exile.
Scriptural reference that show these same above "Exiles" decendents were actually returned from Babylon.
I gave you scriptural reference on page 23.
I will assume no reply means you CAN'T show any scriptural reference that shows the "exiles TO BE RETURNED" were Zedekiah's group and you CAN'T show any scriptural reference that shows their decendents were actually returned.
Shalom
just by knowing what will happen, that doesn't mean that we can prevent or cause something to happen.
my knowing that does not prevent them the free will of making the choice.. it's the same with god.
if god is not restricted to existence in the present, then the future is known by god because god indwells the future as well as the present and the past.
****does God's foreknowledge take away from free will ?
Who allowed you to say this ?
i had been studying with the jehovah's witnesses for the last couple years.
they have been interesting study sessions and have learned quite a bit about them and their beliefs.
much of what they teach is what i had learned through personal bible study.. growing up was normal.
Change Name ****"Pterist" I understand their teaching in regards the mediatorship of Jesus. The real question is if you do. From what I have read from opposers of JWs many do not.****
I'm an ex-JW, and yes I definitely know their teaching of preaching themselves as mediator between man and God and not Christ...here is an example of a response I had recently in a Huffington post religious forum with a JW, and he/ she says as follows:
"""Personally I have not attained justification. I am a member of those spoken of in the scriptures, as the “great crowd,” who survive the “great tribulation,” are are not yet declared righteous for life""""
The real question is are you in Christ ?
5 Examine yourselves to see if you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Don’t you understand that Jesus Christ is in you? Unless, of course, you fail the test.
Shalom
"jesus did not die on the cross" .
a new doctoral dissertation in theology from gothenburg university claims that the bible has been misinterpreted when it comes to how jesus died.
gunnar samuelsson who wrote the dissertation has studied the original texts and sees no explicit references to crucifiction.
The method of Christ death would have some requirements as the LAMB of GOD, foreshadowed in the Jewish law.
No bones broken.
Blood drained.
Thus fullfilling scripture and also the legal requirement that his life blood be spilled out, as the LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD...penalty paid
His resurrected body was no illusion, it just did NOT have any blood....
