Posts by Pterist

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Why judgment is to begin at the house of God?

by Kosonen in

" for the time is come for judgment to begin at the house of god: and if it begin first at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of god?

and if the righteous is scarcely saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear?

"- 1peter4:17-18. why for god to judge his own house?

Pterist

**** Until now there are propably not even two thinking christians that could agree on the truth 100%.****

The WBTS defination of being in the truth ( new light or old) is the GBs understanding in ALL things. The TRUTH to Christians is in a person. The whole embodiment of Jehovah's wisdom and knowledge is in his beloved Son. As a Christian I'm in possession of ALL truth and wisdom. Its Spiritual. Its a quality of life that enables godly living. This is NOT an achedemic knowledge of Bibical facts and Doctrines. James 3 shows the fruit of truth and wisdom from above As opposed to carnal knowledge and knowing scriptures. You search the scriptures thinking you will find eternal life and yet you will not come to me !!!

I Am, the Way, The Truth, and the Life......that's truth not achedemics

Christians in this UNION of Spirit and Truth, may differ in education, understanding, but a genuine divine love is a bond beyond words. Colossians 1:13

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Why judgment is to begin at the house of God?

by Kosonen in

" for the time is come for judgment to begin at the house of god: and if it begin first at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of god?

and if the righteous is scarcely saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear?

"- 1peter4:17-18. why for god to judge his own house?

Pterist

Designs

Now that's a nice new word for me "ostensibly". .....

Your question is an assumed generalization, and so far from what I seen and what other have said, disingenuous.

Shalom! Have a good Sabbath ..belated.

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1975 Proves that the Watchtower is deliberately EVIL!!!

by NoRegrets in

Pterist

Thanks Tater-T..........I had JW friends who sold their homes to finance their full time pioneering work. The towers judgement is coming soon.

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Why judgment is to begin at the house of God?

by Kosonen in

" for the time is come for judgment to begin at the house of god: and if it begin first at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of god?

and if the righteous is scarcely saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear?

"- 1peter4:17-18. why for god to judge his own house?

Pterist

Designs *** Christians disagreeing with Christians- that's new!****

****There are differences of views on whether the Torah will remain forever as the code. Traditionalist Jews (Orthodox) may say yes using the term [immutability of the Torah] while Conservative and Reformed and modern Jewish thought is quite different and sees the pure human hand in the Literature and history of the Torah and the Prophets and Wisdom books..***

Shalom

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Why judgment is to begin at the house of God?

by Kosonen in

" for the time is come for judgment to begin at the house of god: and if it begin first at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of god?

and if the righteous is scarcely saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear?

"- 1peter4:17-18. why for god to judge his own house?

Pterist

Judgement from God is against King Sin.

This was accomplished at the cross, Sin was killed and overcome.

Read any of the Apostle Paul's pastoral letters and sound "Doctrine" is ALL to do with Gody living, not splitting hairs over isogesis intrepation of creeds.

In the book of Revelation 21:8, those worthy of the second death are leading UNGodly lives, I don't see any condemned because of Bibicle facts or errors in understanding.

The whole purpose that the Eternal Deity sent his Eternal Son was to overcome the work of the devil, namely, kings SIN, and Death. 1 John 3:7-10. Being born again in Christ with his indwelling nature within, adopts us into the family of God. We can not really call God, Father, unless we have this spirit of sonship that enables us to over come satan, sin, death. 1 John 2:14, Romans 6:6-23. Titus 1:2, 1 John 5:9-13

Dangerous "Doctrines" that hinder this work of God in Christ to overcome Satan, sin and death would be regarded as anti-Christ. E.G. As follows:

The teaching that this New Life in Christ to overcome Satan, sin, and death is ONLY for 144k and NOT for anyone who accepts Gods invitation John 3:16.

The WBTS rob the majority of its members of this provision from Jehovah and preach a gospel that also hinders this original gospel...the power of God unto salvation. Galatians 1:6-9. ...they deny the ransom for all. They seemed to be blinded to the fact that their leadership teach that they are NOT children of God, that Jehovah is NOT their Father, that their sins are NOT forgiven so as to have the Righteousness of Christ. They do NOT have the gift of the Etermal Life in them NOW that enables them to fight their Adamic nature, in fact they are encouraged to remain in their Adamic nature and follow rules and regulation like Israel, of works FOR salvation, rather than works OF salvation.

This doctrine from the WBTS, denying the ransom for ALL who choose it, is anti-Christ, it works against the work done in Christ for humanity and has no Comparison to the isogesis doctrine of the Trinity.

2 Corinthians 13:5

Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?

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new thinking after reading Collosians

by Honeybucket in

i read the book of collosians and now im really not sure whether the trinity concept is completely false.

maybe i need to read non-jw bible to make my decision.

even the nwt seemed to support the jesus was a manifestation of god to help mankind.

Pterist

Kosonen *** That's excactly what the trinity idea tries to prevent. It is a personal attack on the Father. And this trinity therefor originates from the Devil, whose first enemy is The Father. He even is ready to magnify Jesus on the cost of the Father.******

1 John 5

9 We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

Acts 4:12

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

John 5:23

that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

Universal Worship of the Lamb (Revelation 5:13-14)

But even this does not complete the picture. In verse 13 we see the universal worship of the Lamb. Note especially how careful John is to make sure that we understand that this is universal worship. There is nothing in heaven, or on earth, or under the earth (all the places that were searched for someone worthy to take the book in 5:3) that does not join in in one huge ascription of blessing, honor and glory and dominion forever and ever to both God and the Lamb for the mighty works They have done. What a glorious scene! Every created thing worships at this time. Obviously, the Lamb is not included, and hence is not a creature nor a creation of God, but stands worthy to receive such worship as God Himself. Robertson notes that “No created thing is left out” by John. 24 What a comfort this would be to those Christians to whom John was writing! Suffering under the Roman persecution, they would be thrilled to know that someday, everything in existence would join them in worshiping their Lord! The scene closes not with a fanfare, but with humble and reverent worship. One can almost feel the expectant hush, and holy worship of God and the Lamb. “The worship itself is directed toward Christ the Redeemer as well as toward God the Creator The Lamb that was slain shares equally with God himself in the adoration of the worshipers.” 25

This is not DOCTRINE this is FACTS, TRUTH in God's Word...who is the liar ? ....

Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son

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new thinking after reading Collosians

by Honeybucket in

i read the book of collosians and now im really not sure whether the trinity concept is completely false.

maybe i need to read non-jw bible to make my decision.

even the nwt seemed to support the jesus was a manifestation of god to help mankind.

Pterist

Kosonen

*** First of all image is not the original,**** who said it was ? ...look in the mirror for your image.

*** Second, Jesus was the firstborn of all creation. So he was created by his Father and this creation is also called birth here****

One again you ignore that scripture of First and Last are attributed to Both Father and Son and signify Eternal Qualities.

*** Third, The STUFF doesn't matter anything, just as we are from the dust it does not make us equal or eternal***

The stuff matters a grear deal, he is the same stuff, substance as the Father. Dust is our stuff sunshine, no we are definitely not eternal.

*** But you all trinitarians seem not to wish to come to the Father. You rather distort the understanding of Jesus, to have an excuse to not go futher to the Father.****

The rules to approach the Father is from the Father...you can't call The immortal deity Father unless you have the Spirit of Sonship.you can't have the spirit of sonship unless Christ is in you. The Father was in Jesus, and Jesus said that through Holy Spirit that He and His Father would be in us. So we are baptized into that relationship of love, The Father loving the Son in union by Holy Spirit.,,there are somethings that the Father knows that the Son does not..like the end of time, but wait ...your GB does, 1914, go figure they know more than Jesus....Do you think Jesus could not work that out...if it were true ?

*** Fifth, The concept withe temple does not prove Jesus to be superior the Father or equal****

Who said Jesus was greater than the Father in this analogy ? THe concept that the presence of the Father was in the Jewish temple, Christ compared the temple to Himself as bearing the Presence of his Father in him.....Christians are small parts of the New Building, which your org denies the Holy Spirit,s anointing on The majority of its followers which mean they are not Christ-Ian's ....ie Christ mean anointing. Your org. Promotes Denial of ransom.

*** Sixth, I don't think Jehovah likes to celebrate birthdays. Stupid celebration for pagans***

But you will celebrate the WTBTS 100 years of existence, praising the creation not the creator..if the creator celebrates his birthday he is not praising the creation....birthdays are an non issue. If it is to you, do it and don't boast about your extra good works. Salvation in Christ leads to works OF salvation, not like the RCC and the WTBTS works FOR salvation.

Shalom

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new thinking after reading Collosians

by Honeybucket in

i read the book of collosians and now im really not sure whether the trinity concept is completely false.

maybe i need to read non-jw bible to make my decision.

even the nwt seemed to support the jesus was a manifestation of god to help mankind.

Pterist

Kosomen...*** But the Father is allways older****

Why because he had more birthdays ?

This is an amazing statement to mention ageing with respect to the ETERNAL, IMMORTALY God.

The term Alpha and Omeaga, First and Last is applied to BOTH Father and Son in scripture. It signifies a different quality of life. It expresses the ALL encompassing of time in their ETERNAL nature. Our little finite minds caught in time and mortality and can only group at an understanding, but to mention "older" with repect to the Father sounds like Mormonism.

Jesus was ETERNALLY Begotton from ETERNITY, I beget from my nature, I creatate from other stuff. The ETERNAL Son has the SAME nature, same STUFF of the Father.

As Regards the First commandment, Jesus Said NO ONE can come to the Father except through Him...As the presence of Jehovah was in the temple, so only in the real TEMPLE of Christ can we truly love the Father in Spirit and Truth...based on Christ's righteousness, shed blood and Saving work on behalf of mankind.

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WT Admits It's Free For Them ... But Not For You

by Perry in

it official and clear as mud.

however i pulled out my highlighter and made a few notes.. it's free for us - but it ain't for y'all.

too bad i missed the 6/15/2011 wt study.

Pterist

Designs **** The Traditionalist Jews (Orthodox) see the Temple being restored and the Priesthood (many claim to be direct descendants of the Levites (Cohen family).****

So I guess you will be investing in a lot of live stock.

Shalom.

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WT Admits It's Free For Them ... But Not For You

by Perry in

it official and clear as mud.

however i pulled out my highlighter and made a few notes.. it's free for us - but it ain't for y'all.

too bad i missed the 6/15/2011 wt study.

Pterist

Designs : The reality for the last 2000 years approx is that there is no temple, no continuation of animal sacrifices, no proof of the legitimate priesthood, no proof of royal line....the writer of The book of Hebrews predicted that there would be no tangible temple and that the Jewish anointed brethern should look to the Jerusalem above, spiritual mount Zion, where the congregation of the first born is enrolled in the heavens.

The strongly Jewish book of revelation shows in cheaper 7 and 14 that the New Jerusalem is spiritual and in heaven, it achieved it's destiny in Christ and we as gentiles, "the great crowd", reap the blessings in Christ and in his New Heaven and New earth. Our Jerusalem !

Shalom