Posts by Pterist

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

2013 Watchtower, July 15 - CHARTS for discussion

by bats in the belfry in

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Thanks for your reply, and yes, logically that would be correct, from a Christian point of view that don't have two classes, (heavenly and earthly). However, my point is that, based on WBTS "Original" time period they were gathering a "THIRD GROUP" around 1935 as the "EARTHLY SUBJECTS". How can they now fit this third group in, considering they are now saying the goats/sheep will NOT be separated until the GT.

Like you said 11 years ago ..."In Jesus' illustration of the End Time harvest period, the angels separate the Wheat from the Weeds , distinguishing TWO distinct parties. One being burned up and the other will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Never any mention of a 3rd party (Great Crowd).How did you rationalize the existence of the 'other sheep class"? "

Looks like they are opening bigger holes in their "nu lite" as they shift the goal posts once again !!?? For Example ......>>>>>

The FDS are NOT in charge NOW of ALL his "BELONGINGs" Which contradicts this ....>>>>>>

*** w09 2/15 p. 24 par. 3 They “Keep Following the Lamb” ***

He has also appointed the slave “over all his belongings.” (Matt. 24:45-47) These “belongings” include the growing “great crowd” of “other sheep.” (Rev. 7:9; John 10:16) Should not individual members of the anointed and the “other sheep” trust the slave appointed over them? There are many reasons why the slave class deserves our trust. Two outstanding reasons are: (1) Jehovah trusts the slave class. (2) Jesus also trusts the slave.

They are a mess ! ,!,!,!,!

Shalom friend.

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2013 Watchtower, July 15 - CHARTS for discussion

by bats in the belfry in

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Pterist

Where do the "great crowd" "other sheep" "NOT whole wheat" fit in ?

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July 15th Study Edition Is Up..

by confusedteenager in

jw
friends

not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.

they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.

of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .

Pterist

SD-7 ****Also, there's a new picture of the new and improved 8-Man Channel of Commmunication, The Faithful and Discreet Slave, The Masters of Our Faith and Future Rulers of Earth, THE GOVERNING BODY!!*****

But are they not the "Mother" ...we need the mother also, as they said. Hats off to them, what took the RCC centuries to achieve they did in less than 100 years.

Anyways, the 8-Man Channel of Commmunication, Lets call them OCTOMOM

Shalom friend ;)

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The July 15 Watchtower and all its new light is only...

by sosoconfused in

making people cling to the organization more.

when i found out it was up i told so many people frantically that there is a new study article up and that it had so many changes.

my mother started crying saying how happy she is to be a part of an organization that is truly directed by jehovah... only the true faithful and discreeet slave could have such insight.... another person began to say how great it is to see the celestial chariot on the move.. .

Pterist

This article seems to leave a big question mark about the gathering of the "other sheep" after 1935 ? ....

If the wheat "the anointed Christians" are being gathered since 1914/1919 to after Armageddon according to their graphic's time line, (which covers them as a GB for possibly hundreds of years) and the sheep and goats are NOT separated until the GT, then how do they explain an earthly class gathering,? that does NOT fit into the new time line. Is there more "noo lite" that will show they are ALL of the anointed class and the earthly class will come out of the GT ?

Shalom

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The July 15 Watchtower and all its new light is only...

by sosoconfused in

making people cling to the organization more.

when i found out it was up i told so many people frantically that there is a new study article up and that it had so many changes.

my mother started crying saying how happy she is to be a part of an organization that is truly directed by jehovah... only the true faithful and discreeet slave could have such insight.... another person began to say how great it is to see the celestial chariot on the move.. .

Pterist

My immediate reaction on reading the article IS ...once again the goal posts are moved, which raises a lot more questions for their judgmental attitude (sheep and goats) during this time period which there is no apology and further perjury.

Wisdom 14:28

28 For their worshipers either rave in exultation, or prophesy lies, or live unrighteously, or readily commit perjury;

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just curious. How about blood?

by never a jw in

jw
friends

i have never been a jw, but i have lived literally surrounded by them since i married my wife, almost 20 years ago.

since i never raised a fuss before, i guess i was also brain-washed into thnking that their religion was harmless and the leaders were well intended.. i have been reading your comments for many months and have come to realize how harmful the religion is.

your comments have been mostly about the pain inflicted by shunning, deception in the literature, and the views on higher education.

Pterist

@neverajw

This might interest you...Comment on JW.Net ...8 years ago .......all eager to avoid responsibility for this doctrine ....

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/77990/1/Are-They-Eager-To-Avoid-Dead-Kids

'Doctors should make transfusion dilemma decisions'

online.ie

2004-08-06 11:20:02+01

Doctors can go against parents wishes to grant life-saving blood transfusions to children, it was claimed today.

Mr O'Farrell said: "When it comes to the crunch a doctor has the right, if he feels the child is going to die, under common law to administer blood. All he needs is to have a colleague okay it. Why pre-empt the whole thing by getting a court order?"

The High Court yesterday told surgeons at Our Lady's Hospital for Sick Children in Dublin's Crumlin they could carry out a blood transfusion on a five-month-old baby girl.

Mr O'Farrell said he was not familiar with the specifics of the five-month-old girl's case but that there was an alternative way of doing things.

Interesting:

"When it comes to the crunch a doctor has the right, if he feels the child is going to die, under common law to administer blood. All he needs is to have a colleague okay it. Why pre-empt the whole thing by getting a court order?"

It almost sounds as though they are trying to set things up so that they have two pigeons to sue and set up precedents under Irish Common Law. He's baiting a trap....

Love, Scully

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

Pterist

**** Does anyon e uderstand the logic to th is JW conclusion Y et, scholars agree that Cyrus II conquered Babylon in 539 B.C.E***

They simply overlook what Jehovah said the 70 years means at Jeremiah 25:11-12...its about the period of time of power given to Babylon.

11 This whole country will become a desolate wasteland, and these nations will serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

But when the seventy years are fulfilled, I will punish the king of Babylon and his nation.

Shalom friend

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RC Church - Originated when ? Spiritually Strong Ones please.

by *lost* in

been doing a bit of research trying to tie in together a few different strands.. not too sure what happened to christianity and how organised religion took hold again after the apostles died off.. i know jerusalem was sacked 70 ce.

but lots to fill in from that point onwards to bring us to where we are today.. if a few peeps could help to condense and simplify the info down into a few bite size pieces it would give us a starting point to begin to re-educate ourselves to the truth.

and fill in the blanks.

Pterist

The apostle Paul never used the word "Christian" or "Christian Church" in any of his letters. Paul envisioned a fulfillment of the Israel of God Romans 11. The term "universal church" was adapted to unite the diverse "Christian World" in a "marriage" of church and state for political gain under Constantine.

Shalom friend ;)

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RC Church - Originated when ? Spiritually Strong Ones please.

by *lost* in

been doing a bit of research trying to tie in together a few different strands.. not too sure what happened to christianity and how organised religion took hold again after the apostles died off.. i know jerusalem was sacked 70 ce.

but lots to fill in from that point onwards to bring us to where we are today.. if a few peeps could help to condense and simplify the info down into a few bite size pieces it would give us a starting point to begin to re-educate ourselves to the truth.

and fill in the blanks.

Pterist

@LOST

Using "spiritual" implied language (spiritual strong) is less tolerated than the "F" word on this site.