Posts by Pterist

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Exciting new adjustments in understanding in the July 15th WT!

by TweetieBird in

jw
friends

this was forwarded to me in an email.

enjoy!.

exciting new adjustments in understanding in the july 15th wt!

Pterist

A watcher *** "Are they not all spirits for public service, sent forth to minister for those who are going to inherit salvation?" (Hebrews 1:14) . ****

The above scripture is about Angels NOT some ruling class of Christians, you are mis-quoting the Bible.

A watcher *** The anointed will become angels, and continue to help the other sheep, from heaven.

The whole goal of Christianity is to reach maturity NOT to be dependent forever on a church or organisation . Ephesians 4: 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. That little word UNTIL speaks volumns.

Shalom

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Exciting new adjustments in understanding in the July 15th WT!

by TweetieBird in

jw
friends

this was forwarded to me in an email.

enjoy!.

exciting new adjustments in understanding in the july 15th wt!

Pterist

*** 2 -- The inspection of the temple is adjusted from 1918 to the years between 1914-1919.***

Once this is seen by JWs, as more error, based on pure speculation of a failed eschatology, points 3,4,5,6,7,8, all fall like a house of cards.

Point 1 is a current understanding of a pre-millenium rapture by some Christians...Informed Christians know that there are several understandings of the one scripture in the whole Bible that mentions the 1000 years rule of Christ, that is NOT conditional on salvation. In my opinion the millennium is symbolic and is the present Gospel age of grace, already in action in the daily lives of Christians since penticost, awaiting its completion.

**** 8 -- The Evil Slave at Matt 24:48-51.. Is a warning to Faithful & Discreet Slave.. The phrase... "If ever" is hypothetical. Therefore, currently, there is no "evil slave." Those who have acted like the Evil Slave in the past are considered apostate.****

Seems like a warning from the "control" freaks among the GB to some among the OCTOMOM who may be wavering.

Shalom

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Apocryphal Books of the Bible

by nativenyr23 in

was watching a history channel program last night (yeah, i'm a history channel geek!

) and was introduced for the first time in my life to the apocryphal books of the bible?!?!?!?!?

omg....fascinating.

Pterist

The history of Israel during the time of Alexander the Great through to the Roman empire is an interesting read in the books of Maccabees. The desolation of the temple by Antiochus IV Epiphanes (ca. 215–164 BCE) in 168 BC on December 25th, and it's restoration on December 25th 165 bC approx. is considered by some to relate to Daniel's chapter 11 of the temples desecration. ... The books give a good insight to the 400 year gap between the OT and the NT......

The Wisdom books obviously inspired the understanding of the divine nature of Christ as the wisdom of God.

If interested in the history during this time period, I would recommend viewing the video in the following link...

http://brucegore.com/VideoPlay4.aspx

Shalom

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U.S. believes Israel has conducted an airstrike into Syria

by Pterist in

by barbara starr, cnn pentagon correspondentupdated 8:32 pm edt, fri may 3, 2013source: cnnstory highlightssources say a strike mostly likely occurred in the thursday-friday time framethe u.s. does not believe israeli warplanes entered syrian airspace(cnn) -- the united states believes israel has conducted an airstrike into syria, two u.s. officials tell cnn.. u.s. and western intelligence agencies are reviewing classified data showing israel most likely conducted a strike in the thursday-friday time frame, according to both officials.

this is the same time frame that the u.s. collected additional data showing israel was flying a high number of warplanes over lebanon.. http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/03/world/meast/israel-airstrike-syria/.

anybody believe that israel may have significance in the time of the end (romans 11:25) ?

Pterist

By Barbara Starr, CNN Pentagon Correspondent updated 8:32 PM EDT, Fri May 3, 2013

Source: CNN STORY HIGHLIGHTS

Sources say a strike mostly likely occurred in the Thursday-Friday time frame
The U.S. does not believe Israeli warplanes entered Syrian airspace

(CNN) -- The United States believes Israel has conducted an airstrike into Syria, two U.S. officials tell CNN.

U.S. and Western intelligence agencies are reviewing classified data showing Israel most likely conducted a strike in the Thursday-Friday time frame, according to both officials. This is the same time frame that the U.S. collected additional data showing Israel was flying a high number of warplanes over Lebanon.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/03/world/meast/israel-airstrike-syria/

Anybody believe that Israel may have significance in the time of the end (Romans 11:25) ?

Shalom

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The Watchtower abandons their 1914 doctrine!

by Seraphim23 in

http://www.watchman.org/blog/index.php/watchtower-society-changes-doctrine-of-1914-again/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=feed%3a+watchmanfellowship+%28watchman+fellowship%29.

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not sure how to show the link properly..

Pterist

If 1914 is in error then 1919! 1935, and all subsequent "millennium" teachings, such as the gathering of the wheat, the princes appointed in the earth, the gathering of the earthly (the so called great crowd) class, is at best running ahead of Christ and/or at worse a false and misleading "good news".

Shalom

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Pure Christianity Straight from the Apostle John

by Perry in

me whom they have pierced .

blood flowed from our saviors' side when he was pierced:.

"but one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out...for these things were done that the scripture should be fulfilled...and again another scripture says, 'they shall look on him whom they pierced.

Pterist

Designs ** The Jesus of the NT has nothing to do with the Jewish Messiah.***

The Jesus of the NT is the Wisdom of God in the OT. The external immortal deity did nothing in creation without his eternal Spirit and his personified Wisdom.

Proverbs 8

27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30 Then I was constantly [e] at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.

1Colossians

19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Shalom

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Celebrating 50 years - C S Lewis by Alister McGrath

by Pterist in

this lecture by dr alister mcgrath was sponsored by the lanier theological library in houston, tx and presented at champion forest baptist church in houston, tx, saturday, march 23, 2012 titled: "c.s.

lewis and the post modern generation: his message 50 years later".

dr. alister mcgrath is a professor of theology, ministry and education at king's college london, and head of its centre for theology, religion, and culture.

Pterist

This lecture by Dr Alister McGrath was sponsored by The Lanier Theological Library in Houston, TX and presented at Champion Forest Baptist Church in Houston, TX, Saturday, March 23, 2012 titled: "C.S. Lewis and the Post Modern Generation: His Message 50 Years Later"
Dr. Alister McGrath is a Professor of Theology, Ministry and Education at King's College London, and Head of its Centre for Theology, Religion, and Culture. He is also
Senior Research Fellow at Harris Manchester College, Oxford, and President of the Oxford Centre for Christian Apologetics. Until 2008, he was Professor of Historical
Theology at Oxford University.
Dr. McGrath was born in Belfast, Northern Ireland in 1953. He attended Methodist College, Belfast, in 1966 studying pure and applied mathematics, physics and chemistry. McGrath continued his education and eventually earned both a Ph.D. in molecular biophysics and a Doctorate of Divinity from Oxford University. The interactions between these two areas of study—Christian theology and the natural sciences—have been a major theme of his research work.
As a former atheist, McGrath is respectful, yet critical of scientific atheism. He has frequently engaged in debate and dialogue with leading atheists, including Oxford zoologist Richard Dawkins. McGrath has explored Charles Darwin's role in atheist apologetics and other controversial concepts of atheism, such as the "meme" in recent atheist accounts of the origins of belief in God.
McGrath is working on many projects, including his research on the late C. S. Lewis and a major intellectual history of the Swiss Protestant theologian Emil Brunner. His new book to be published in March is entitled C. S. Lewis -- A Life. Reluctant Prophet, Eccentric Genius. This biography will be supplemented by a collection of eight major academic essays on Lewis, to be published in May 2013. Other forthcoming books are the first in a five-volume series entitled "Christian Belief for Everyone" and a new textbook on Christian History.
For more infomation on the Lanier Theological Library: http://www.laniertheologicallibrary.org/

Video on YouTube

'C.S. Lewis: A Prophet for Contemporary Christianity': A Lecture from ...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPWgZR7peJk Apr 23, 2013 - Uploaded by liccmedia 2013 marks the 50th anniversary of the death of C.S. Lewis, now ... In this lecture Dr Alister ...

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The Kingdom is Within

by maccauk11 in

post 121 of 121. since 7/27/2011.

the watchtower society is embracing preterism or partial preterism.

i read the magazine and they did not evne mention the "parousia" of christ just the great tribulation.

Pterist

Lars58****The kingdom is not "within."*******

The kingdom/realm of God existed before the creation of the world in the unity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and Jesus stated that Divine presence would be with his followers.

All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come TO ME through them . I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name - the name you gave me - so that they may be one as we are one … My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be IN US so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: I IN THEM and you in me . May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me BECAUSE YOU LOVED ME BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD. Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them AND THAT I MYSELF MAY BE IN THEM .’" John 17:1-5, 8, 10-11, 20-26

John 14:23...

And we will come to him, and make our abode with him

What is the ultimate goal of the incarnate Life of God (aka The Word) becoming flesh ???....

When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:28

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The Truth Changes: Watchtower of July 15, 2013

by Doug Mason in

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Pterist

Maccauk11***** The Watchtower Society is embracing preterism or partial preterism*****

Exactly, I got the same impression since I now see end time eschatologies from a Partial Preterism perspective. Christ said he would "ALWAYS" be present, and what better date for the transfer from earthly Israel to Spiritual Israel than 70 AD when the earthly symbol of Gods Name and Presence was destroyed forever and transferred to the Zion of God, and the great crowd of nations has been coming out of that tribulation that occurred on the first century Christians ever since!

Thanks Doug for a great thread and information.

Thanks Eden and Yadda yadda2 for the PDF links.

Shalom

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Is There Other Sites Many Members Are Bailing To? M.I.A JWN People, where did they go?

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

since i joined the forum i noticed more than a few people have not been posting, what is going on?

i received a couple of emails from other groups asking me to join their new forms with a promised technology, i wondered how they got my email address and thought it be strange.. .

people during the first year of a great change might post daily to any support chat or message board they feel is going to aid them.

Pterist

IMHO, the site badly needs better moderation. Regular users should not have to report personal attacks on others, stalking, foul language, and hijacking of threads. I have moved on to other sites, however, this site is a great source of inside information about what is going on in the org. and comforting to see those who learn the TTATT and don't throw Christ out with the bath water.

Shalom friends