Posts by Pterist

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I am looking for scans from a book

by Doug Mason in

does somone have a library handy that holds the book: "the bible from the beginning" (new york 1929) by p. marion simms?

i have searched here in melbourne without success, and its exorbitant price tag means it won't be sitting on my bookshelf.

if you can find a copy, i need scans of pages 74 to 76. it would be even better if i could obtain scans of the immediate context.

Pterist

****But who or what is: acm.uestc.edu.cn ?*****

This question and answers came from that site, not sure what it is, looks like an academic site.

The quote from pages 74-76 show Up on several sites: as follows:

www.studybibleforum.com/htm_php.php3?...

“In the number of ancient MSS. [manuscripts] attesting a writing, and in the number of years that had elapsed between the original and the attesting MSS., the Bible enjoys a decided advantage over classical writings [those of Homer, Plato, and others]. . . .Altogether classical MSS. are but a handfu?...

uk.answers.yahoo.com › ... › Society & Culture › Religion & Spirituality

Jul 14, 2013 - [manuscripts] attesting a writing, and in the number of years that had elapsed between the original and the attesting MSS., the Bible enjoys a decided advantage over classical writings [those of Homer, Plato, and others]. . . . Altogether classical MSS. are but a handful compared with Biblical. No ancient book ...

forum.the-dispatch.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3109&start=30 Feb 2, 2012 - 10 posts - ‎3 authors

(3) The Jerusalem Bible transliterates hai′des six times, but in other ..... [ manuscripts]attesting a writing, and in the number of years that had elapsed ... attesting MSS., the Bible enjoys a decided advantage over classical writings [ those ... Altogether classical MSS. are but a handful compared with Biblical.

Why do Christians, Jews and Muslims claim only one god exists when ...
au.answers.yahoo.com › ... › Society & Culture › Religion & Spirituality Aug 8, 2013 - [manuscripts] attesting a writing, and in the number of years that had elapsed between the original and the attesting MSS., the Bible enjoys a decided advantage over classical writings [those of Homer, Plato, and others]. . . . Altogether classical MSS. are but a handful compared with Biblical. No ancient book ...

wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989213

“In the number of ancient MSS. [manuscripts] attesting a writing, and in the number of years that had elapsed between the original and the attesting MSS., the Bible enjoys a decided advantage over classical writings [those of Homer, Plato, and others]. . . .Altogether classical MSS. are but a handful compared with Biblical.

acm.uestc.edu.cn/lib/detail/html.php?id=20130630034542AAB1GuD

Jun 30, 2013 - [manuscripts] attesting a writing, and in the number of years that had elapsed between the original and the attesting MSS., the Bible enjoys a decided advantage over classical writings [those of Homer, Plato, and others]. . . . Altogether classical MSS. are but a handful compared with Biblical. No ancient book ...

Fair Dinkum ;)

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Lurkers/faders in the US - a heads up on next week's service meeting (Warwick HQ project to be discussed)

by cedars in

hi folks.

atlantis has very kindly let me see a copy of the aug 21, 2013 letter to all bodies of elders in the united states.. they are being instructed to re-organize the service meeting for the week commencing september 2nd (next week) to include a special recruitment talk to attract skilled volunteer workers for the new warwick hq.. an interesting feature of the letter is its comparison of the project with nehemiah's rebuilding of the walls of jerusalem.

considering the relocation of hq is financially motivated more than anything, the analogy is more than a little bewildering.. here is a scan of the opening comments of the two-page outline, to be given in the next local needs item.... .

Pterist

So much for the city of Jehovah WITHOUT WALLS !!!!!!!

A Man With a Measuring Line

2 [a] Then I looked up, and there before me was a man with a measuring line in his hand. 2 I asked, “Where are you going?”

He answered me, “To measure Jerusalem, to find out how wide and how long it is.”

3 While the angel who was speaking to me was leaving, another angel came to meet him 4 and said to him: “Run, tell that young man, ‘Jerusalem will be a ****city without WALLS*** because of the great number of people and animals in it. 5 And**** I myself will be a wall of fire around it,’******** declares the Lord , ‘and I will be its glory within.’

Shalom friends

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I am looking for scans from a book

by Doug Mason in

does somone have a library handy that holds the book: "the bible from the beginning" (new york 1929) by p. marion simms?

i have searched here in melbourne without success, and its exorbitant price tag means it won't be sitting on my bookshelf.

if you can find a copy, i need scans of pages 74 to 76. it would be even better if i could obtain scans of the immediate context.

Pterist

Sorry Doug,

Don't know why the format ended up like that mess above ...

$5 plus shipping @

http://www.abebooks.com/book-search/author/p-marion-simms/page-1/

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I am looking for scans from a book

by Doug Mason in

does somone have a library handy that holds the book: "the bible from the beginning" (new york 1929) by p. marion simms?

i have searched here in melbourne without success, and its exorbitant price tag means it won't be sitting on my bookshelf.

if you can find a copy, i need scans of pages 74 to 76. it would be even better if i could obtain scans of the immediate context.

Pterist

Hi Doug, I came across this site .....$5 plus shipping http://www.abebooks.com/book-search/author/p-marion-simms/page-1/ And other source beside watchtower Question Is today's bible the same exact book of 2000 years ago ? If it is NOT then how are you following a book that has Contradictions,Scientic error and Illogical ideas Good Answers The Answers1: If it is NOT then how are you following a book that has Contradictions,Scientic error and Illogical ideas The Answers2: No. The church has edited it numerous times to support their agenda. The Answers3: The Bible is the same since inception. Variations appear only in translations in various living languages, considering that the meaning of language and their expression advances with the maturity of people and cultures. The Bible was never meant as a summary of all the wisdom and science of the world. It provides believing people with explanations of divine actions and intervention they could comprehend. The Old Testament was for Jews a summary of common laws as well. Since it was written by many scholars and also simple-minded people, there are on the surface and effectively quite a number of contradictions. Therefor, any church that teaches to take every single word of the Bible as divine and unchangeable is absolutely misguided. The Answers4: “In the number of ancient MSS. [manuscripts] attesting a writing, and in the number of years that had elapsed between the original and the attesting MSS., the Bible enjoys a decided advantage over classical writings [those of Homer, Plato, and others]. . . . Altogether classical MSS. are but a handful compared with Biblical. No ancient book is so well attested as the Bible.”—The Bible From the Beginning (New York, 1929), P. Marion Simms, pp. 74, 76. A report published in 1971 shows that there are possibly 6,000 handwritten copies containing all or part of the Hebrew Scriptures; the oldest dates back to the third century B.C.E. Of the Christian Greek Scriptures, there are some 5,000 in Greek, the oldest dating back to the beginning of the second century C.E. There are also many copies of early translations into other languages. In the introduction to his seven volumes on The Chester Beatty Biblical Papyri, Sir Frederic Kenyon wrote: “The first and most important conclusion derived from the examination of them [the papyri] is the satisfactory one that they confirm the essential soundness of the existing texts. No striking or fundamental variation is shown either in the Old or the New Testament. There are no important omissions or additions of passages, and no variations which affect vital facts or doctrines. The variations of text affect minor matters, such as the order of words or the precise words used . . . But their essential importance is their confirmation, by evidence of an earlier date than was hitherto available, of the integrity of our existing texts.”—(London, 1933), p. 15. http://acm.uestc.edu.cn/lib/detail/html.php?id=20130630034542AAB1GuD I hope this helps Fair Dinkum mate ;)

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New-Earth V Old-Earth Creation

by Pterist in

in his book "peril in paradise", dr. mark whorton, (who holds a phd in aerospace engineering from the georgia institute of technology), puts forward some very convincing arguments for "old-earth", as he compares the "perfect pardise paradigm" to the "perfect purpose paradigm" proposed by creationists.

he shows how entropy, death, pain and suffering already existed before the "fall".. a good read for jws that shows this mortal decaying earth, may not be their "eternal" home.. can be read in the amazon cloud reader.. http://www.amazon.com/peril-paradise-theology-science-earth/dp/0830857346/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=utf8&qid=1377778808&sr=1-3.

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Pterist

@Cofty ****** The absolute irrefutable fact is that there was no perfection ****

thanks for the reply, I hope all is well :)

I believe that's the argument he is making in the Perfect "PURPOSE" model of creation and NOT the perfect "PARADISE" model of perfection, because it's not perfect.

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New-Earth V Old-Earth Creation

by Pterist in

in his book "peril in paradise", dr. mark whorton, (who holds a phd in aerospace engineering from the georgia institute of technology), puts forward some very convincing arguments for "old-earth", as he compares the "perfect pardise paradigm" to the "perfect purpose paradigm" proposed by creationists.

he shows how entropy, death, pain and suffering already existed before the "fall".. a good read for jws that shows this mortal decaying earth, may not be their "eternal" home.. can be read in the amazon cloud reader.. http://www.amazon.com/peril-paradise-theology-science-earth/dp/0830857346/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=utf8&qid=1377778808&sr=1-3.

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Pterist

In his Book "Peril in Paradise", Dr. Mark Whorton, (who holds a PhD in aerospace engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology), puts forward some very convincing arguments for "Old-Earth", as he compares the "Perfect PARDISE Paradigm" to the " Perfect PURPOSE Paradigm" proposed by creationists. He shows how entropy, death, pain and suffering already existed before the "fall".

A good read for JWs that shows this mortal decaying earth, may NOT be their "eternal" home.

Can be read in the Amazon Cloud reader.

http://www.amazon.com/Peril-Paradise-Theology-Science-Earth/dp/0830857346/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1377778808&sr=1-3

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New

by rod.henderson in

jw
friends

hi,.

completely brand new to this site and to witnesses.

a friend introduced me to the jw and i'm just learning all i can..

Pterist

@rod.henderson

Welcome

The WBTS aka JWs will only do a "literature study with you from their books, and magazines. This form of bible study is called a isogesis interpretation. They will NOT study the Bible directly, using exegesis study methods of context, type of literature, time period, what it meant to the reader then and now etc as follows:

Exogesis

"Reading out of the scriptures". Line-by-line, verse-by-berse, chapter-by-chapter.

Isogesis. "circular reasoning" brain washing techniques ........

"Reading into the scriptures". This sounds TERRIBLE, but that is not the intent of the phrase "reading into". This merely means you start with a subject, and look for scriptures that pertain to it. If this was done objectively, with the whole passage being studied and not just the verse from the concordance, perhaps this would be valid enough. Unfortunately, the critics often times do NOT look at the rest of the passage. They are well intentioned, but fallible men who have an opinion, and find as much material in support of their position as they can, and then slap together a web site. They never stop to re-examine whether their basic assumption is correct, so they never bother to study scripture in context to see if it REALLY agrees with their position or not. The proper attitude for a Christian believer is to take all of our basic assumptions and make them subject for the truths of God's word. That is where the critics miss it.

Here is a link to the methods of Bible Study :

http://www.mindspring.com/~brucec/hermen.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeneutics

Advanced Bible Study - Part 8: Hermeneutics & Exegesis - YouTube

? 48:58 ? 48:58 www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_SOfVuiScs Feb 9, 2011 - Uploaded by LaRosa Johnson This is part 8 of our Advanced Bible Study tutorial series using WORDsearch

Or just google "bible study"

May God direct you heart and efforts, I was a RCC most of my life, then became a JW for years. If you where like me I knew nothing about the bible when I was RC, so I was easily influenced. The RCC have many things wrong, and the JWs can teach you some things that correct, but you will enter an Orwellian world where eventually you will STOP reasoning and believe 2+2 = 5 or whatever they tell you, and suffer from cognitive dissonance and depression, like I did for year's .....the truth that JESUS is the CHRIST and NOT an "organization false Christ" will set up free....

Shalom

The "Christ" is many members

by Pterist in

doing some research to show from wbts's publications that they taught and/or preached that "christ" was not just jesus but a "composite christ".

doug manson, has done a great summary on the forthcoming september study of the july 15th watchtower on the many "noo lite" changes including the new view of the fds aka " anointed" aka " composite christ" as follows:.

russell and rutherford said that the christ is composed of many members.

Pterist

Doing some research to show from WBTS's publications that they taught and/or preached that "Christ" was NOT just Jesus but a "Composite Christ"

Doug Manson, has done a great summary on the forthcoming September Study of the July 15th Watchtower on the many "noo lite" changes including the new view of the FDS aka " Anointed" aka " composite christ" as follows:

? Russell and Rutherford said that “the Christ” is composed of many members.
? Later, the organization was driven to repudiate this use of the term “the Christ”. However, the organization continues the concept, using the English “Anointed” rather than the Greek “Christ”.
I would appreciate any comments showing WBTS's articles showing which publications, the year, the page number etc..
I have used the search database here on this forum, where I found CTR's statements are made, however, I have not found anything where they "correct" this "concept" or should I say "Camouflaged" the concept of a "composite Christ" with their great skills of being "masters of deception" !
Thank you in advance for your time and help :)
Shalom

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100% pure unadulterated speculation - what changes would a "New New World Tranlsation" contain?

by sir82 in

on this thread:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/257481/1/i-cant-find-any-bibles-seems-to-be-a-shortage.

some (well, me, mostly) are speculating that the wts is planning to distribute a "new new world translation" some time soon.. if that is true, what changes do you think they would include?.

Pterist

John the baptist will be replaced by CTR

Possible tweak on Galatians 3:16 one seed composite Christ / Office.

Possible tweak on revelation 22:13 we can't have a creature having alpha and omega nature.

Lol :)

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ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM AT BROOKLYN

by The Searcher in

the 2012 calendar encourages all to examine "for family discussion" aspects of the covenants.

do that - but base your study on the bible only, and then you will form a true understanding of the covenants, especially the new covenant.

on the january/february page, this question is asked, "would abraham's seed prove to be just one individual, or would it be a composite seed?".

Pterist

@londo111

Thanks my friend and brother in Christ.....

This link also got me this ..:)

http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/bsl/Library/Russell/3Worlds/3worlds.pdf