Posts by Pterist

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What's so Special About FREE Home Bible Studies?

by Ethos in

continuation of this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/242543/2/free-home-bible-study.

newyorker: the familiar observation that the bible is the best-selling book of all time obscures a more startling fact: the bible is the best-selling book of the year, every year.

calculating how many bibles are sold in the united states is a virtually impossible task, but a conservative estimate is that in 2005 americans purchased some twenty-five million biblestwice as many as the most recent harry potter book.

Pterist

Free home bible studies are commendable, especially when it's based on the original good news Galatians 1:6-10 and done in context, namely, Exegesis and NOT eisegesis.

Question: "What is the difference between exegesis and eisegesis?"

Answer: Exegesis and eisegesis are two conflicting approaches in Bible study. Exegesis is the exposition or explanation of a text based on a careful, objective analysis. The word exegesis literally means “to lead out of.” That means that the interpreter is led to his conclusions by following the text.

The opposite approach to Scripture is eisegesis, which is the interpretation of a passage based on a subjective, non-analytical reading. The word eisegesis literally means “to lead into,” which means the interpreter injects his own ideas into the text, making it mean whatever he wants.

Obviously, only exegesis does justice to the text. Eisegesis is a mishandling of the text and often leads to a misinterpretation. Exegesis is concerned with discovering the true meaning of the text, respecting its grammar, syntax, and setting. Eisegesis is concerned only with making a point, even at the expense of the meaning of words.

Second Timothy 2:15 commands us to use exegetical methods: “Present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.” An honest student of the Bible will be an exegete, allowing the text to speak for itself. Eisegesis easily lends itself to error, as the would-be interpreter attempts to align the text with his own preconceived notions. Exegesis allows us to agree with the Bible; eisegesis seeks to force the Bible to agree with us.

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FREE Home Bible Study?!?!?

by Christ Alone in

so i finally took a deep breath and watched the annual meeting report.

i found a little nugget before the "new light" discussion began.

there was a report about the "public preaching" that was taking place in manhattan.

Pterist

Ethos ...*** 607 response coming tonight****

Dont forget the "Bad Figs", the third group ....no restoration for them.

Babylon's first visit ...Daniel's group exiled

Babylon's second visit Jechoniah's group exiled

Babylon's third visit Zedekiah and temple destroyed the "Bad Figs" exile with NO hope of restoration. Jeremiah 24:8-10..

8 “‘But like the bad figs, which are so bad they cannot be eaten,’ says the Lord , ‘so will I deal with Zedekiah king of Judah, his officials and the survivors from Jerusalem, whether they remain in this land or live in Egypt. 9 I will make them abhorrent and an offense to all the kingdoms of the earth, a reproach and a byword, a curse [a] and an object of ridicule, wherever I banish them. 10 I will send the sword, famine and plague against them until they are destroyed from the land I gave to them and their ancestors.’”

So if you continue to insist that Jeremiah 25 is talking about 70 years exile and not 70 years for Babylon, WHICH GROUP OF EXILES DOES THE 70 YEARS REFER TO ????

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Post a picture of the Faithful and Discreet Slave!

by cedars in

yes, we can call them that now, without fear of being disfellowshipped for apostasy.. .

http://www.jw.org/en/news/events-activities/annual-meeting-report-2012/.

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/governing-body-says-we-are-the-faithful-and-discreet-slave.

Pterist

I seem them playing musical CHAIR around the Ex cathedra.

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The 1919 Date

by turtleturtle in

can someone please give me a neutral explanation of the date 1919?

can the wt prove 1919 from the bible?

what about this quote?

Pterist

Datadog..

***If everything was fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem, aka, no secondary fulfillments,***

My understanding from scripture is that everything for Fleshly Israel was fulfilled as Spiritual Israel was setup in the heavens after 70AD. Israel was to be a blessings to nations, rev 7 and 12 seems to show out of their great tribulation and martyrdom came blessings to us. Out of or after their tribulation came a great crowd that were blessed by their pioneering. Like out of the ashes a new empire arouse...Over the 2000 years we are the NATION of that New Creation and New City.

However, there is a final battle as Satan is given permission to mislead the nations and a global resurrection for final judgement for the rest of mankind that were NOT in the FIRST Resurrection. Rev, 20:7-15.

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Christians have existed for over 2000 years, they did not ALL experience any "great tribulation" but as you said the normal day to day battles of life and spiritual warfare against our sin in the flesh...so a GREAT TRIBULATION is not consistant for ALL. ..yes, this would be "heaven or bust" until the final battle

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****What is the earth for*****

Science and scripture shows the universe is entropic and will die. If everything was created with "immortal life" and free will, it would be an ETERNAL disaster. This whole creation is the testing ground to experience free will as we are not robots. God foresaw those who would want his system and his way of life in this life, and adopts us into his family with the gift of his eternal life that is in our second Adam aka Christ Jesus, to growth in immortality in "New Heavens and New Earth". The resurrection will be spiritual bodies suitable for whatever Eternal environment......Just Sayin .....I need another Guinness .......

Shalom my friend

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The 1919 Date

by turtleturtle in

can someone please give me a neutral explanation of the date 1919?

can the wt prove 1919 from the bible?

what about this quote?

Pterist

Jeffro....The context of the book of Daniel is that Kingdoms from Babylon to the Roman Empire, trampled and had power over Jerusalem until God's kingdom would be setup. MY OPINION is that at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD the book of Daniel was fulfilled when Christ as the corner stone of the Spiritual Israel, died and rose from the dead to began this New Creation in the heavens. The final judgement was carried out on fleshly Israel and Christ resurrected his Spiritual Israel rev. 7 and 14 to the heavens, and is now ruling in a symbolic millenium, bringing blessings and salvation to gentile nations until the final GLOBAL judgement and ressurection. .....Just Saying....not a condition for salvation, which is a changed empowering life in Christ.

Shalom

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Where Are You From?

by finallysomepride in

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alot of members don't have a flag or country name beside their user name, and well frequently one doesn't know where that particular person is from, tell us your country, state, county or what ever you feel like giving out.

if you are going to post please at least devulge your country.. me, i'm originally from taranaki, new zealand via auckland.

for the most of this decade i have been living & working in brisbane, queensland, australia.. .

Pterist

Dublin, Ireland.....last 20 years Florida !

Shalom

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

Pterist

Ethos.....

If we put all dates aside for a moment and consider the sequence of events that befell Jerusalem by the Babylon power as follows

Visit one ....Daniel and his group taken into exile to be return after 70 years.

Visit two.....Jechoniah and his group taken into exile to be returned after 70 years.

Visit three... Jedekiah and his group (the Bad Figs) mostly destroyed and exiled without any hope of return.....

If you insist that it's 70 YEARS OF EXILE .... Which group does it apply to ???

Matthew @ 1:11-12 states that "the exile" (no specific length of time) BEGINS with the second group as follows

11 and Josiah the father of Jeconiah [a] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.

12 After the exile to Babylon:

Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,

Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel.

However, that would make it 80 years of exile in Watchtower chronology ..Approx. .617 - 537 = 80 years...

If its 70 years for Babylon, all the exiles fit into his time period to rule.

Shalom

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The 1919 Date

by turtleturtle in

can someone please give me a neutral explanation of the date 1919?

can the wt prove 1919 from the bible?

what about this quote?

Pterist

Thanks for the Time outline Cedars. I could never understand or believe it from the WTS perspective.

Nero's Persecution of Christians has be shown to be exactly 42 months and is more credible to fulfill the book of Daniel, and Revelation, endind the Jewish period in 70AD and subsequently, the start of the New Israel, Spiritual Jerusalem in the heavens. Out of the Martyred (great tribulation) symbolic 144K spiritual Israel came the blessings to ALL the nations. Rev. 7, and 14.

Shalom

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New FDS understanding just a publicity stunt for new JW.ORG website?!?

by Gorbatchov in

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i read this weekend many reactions on my own posting about "we just love this idea" and also the topics of cedars and metatron about the new understanding of the fds doctrine and stop the printing facility's.. today i can not oppress the feeling that the new fds understanding is just a publicity stunt just to make jw.org famous and usefull for the rank-and-file jw's.. how to get attention for the new publishing channel jw.org to replace the use of hardcopy magazines?!?

just release a new understanding of an important doctrine @ jw.org.

gorby.

Pterist

Gorbat...*** Today I can not oppress the feeling that the new FDS understanding is just a PUBLICITY STUNT just to make JW.ORG famous and usefull for the rank-and-file JW's.***

I have interchanged comments with active JWs on Huffington Post / religious section. I follow their comments and they invariably direct "victims" to JW.ORG. It seems they are using religious forums for this very purpose and act to back each other up. They are completely unmovable with any errors that are exposed to them and when they have no answer they use the "apostate" calling card without proof or foundation. Opposition, encourages them even more as they believe they are fighting Satan's little demons. The causality rate would be very low for these die hards in a digital world. They may also have approval from elders to propagate their " good news" @ JW.ORG as theocratic warfare where their comments are vague and misleading.

JW.ORG, and Street withnessing seems to be their direction as the printing presses stop and consolidation and selling property continues. The GB can be virtual and don't even need to be in NY, to answer to any authority.

Shalom

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Yes, for good reason appellation Father is dominant in the NT over Jehovah

by QC in

the purpose of the christian era is to moves descendent of adam into the family of jesus, the "last adam eternal father.

" 1co 15:45; isa 9:6 so, the christian order is familial, it is about jesus' family pleasing the father.. .

this is why jesus is the center piece of the nt greek text.

Pterist

Prologos ...**** QC great bottom line. really, ALL CHRISTIANS ARE THE "ISRAEL OF GOD" THE TWELVE SPIRITUAL TRIBES OF REV 7 (MINUS DAN &EPHRAIM) The little flock was the small nr. of disciples in Jesus' day, who at the time still had an earthly hope. The "other sheep" are the gentiles that were not of the FOLD of old ISRAEL.****

Concur.....just like those baptized into Moses, not all were priests only the few....the majority were NOT priests, however ALL had the same baptism into Moses ...And also today....All are baptized into Christ, one baptism, one Spirit, one faith......a kingdom of 1. Priests AND 2. A Holy NATION of all non priests.

Shalom