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  Gentile Times ? When ?

  by *lost* in

  1. watchtower
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  if christians are the gentiles .... ............many nations of man.

  god's earthly children shepherded by gods heavenly kingdom.

  through jesus the son via the bible inspired to men by the power of holy spirit, to become workers/slaves of god on earth to do the sowing/planting, growing on the crop ready for the master to harvest / see the produce of the great work effort ?

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  Pterist

  hi Lost again,

  You might be interested in end time eschatology from a Partial Preterism perspective as I was when I left the org., because of the WBTS flawed premillennium "type" eschatology.

  "The Days of Vengeance" by David Chilton.....( NOT the same as the one I posted above).

  http://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/pdf/1987_chilton_days-of-vengeance.pdf Copy and paste into your browser..... This forum's software is not fully functional on my iPad so I can't make the links clickable, sorry Shalom
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  Gentile Times ? When ?

  by *lost* in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if christians are the gentiles .... ............many nations of man.

  god's earthly children shepherded by gods heavenly kingdom.

  through jesus the son via the bible inspired to men by the power of holy spirit, to become workers/slaves of god on earth to do the sowing/planting, growing on the crop ready for the master to harvest / see the produce of the great work effort ?

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  Pterist

  Here is a link to COJ's latest (I think) edition of "The Gentile Times Reconsidered"

  http://kristenfrihet.se/english/gtr4/contents.htm
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  Gentile Times ? When ?

  by *lost* in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if christians are the gentiles .... ............many nations of man.

  god's earthly children shepherded by gods heavenly kingdom.

  through jesus the son via the bible inspired to men by the power of holy spirit, to become workers/slaves of god on earth to do the sowing/planting, growing on the crop ready for the master to harvest / see the produce of the great work effort ?

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  Pterist

  Hi "Lost"

  Here is one view with emphasis on the "gentile times" being the time for the good news being available to the gentile world following the "first right of refusal" offered to fleshly Israel "Jews".

  http://www.padfield.com/acrobat/history/days-of-vengeance.pdf

  Shalom
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  The perplexing conundrum 607 b.c.e condensed down to ONE SIMPLE FACT

  by Brother of the Hawk in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was encouraged to post this thought, so here it is.. i recently finished reading "the gentile times reconsidered" by bro.

  carl olof jonsson, ( third edition).

  phew!!

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  Lars *** The 70 jubilees cover a period of 3430 years from 1435 BCE to 1996 AD. ******

  Hi Lars, thank you for showing the above calculations. So you agree that 7 sabbatical years 7*7 = 49 years, and the jubilee is celebrated on the 50th year for liberation of debt as specified in Leviticus 25.

  Also Leviticus 26:34-35 states that "if you do not listen to me, and do not observe each one of these commandments (v. 14)", such as those concerning the observance of sabbatical years, "I will scatter you among the nations. I will unsheathe the sword against you to make your land a waste and your towns a ruin. Then the land will observe its sabbaths indeed, lying desolate there, while you are in the land of your enemies. Then indeed the land will rest and observe its sabbaths. So on this basis 7 sabbatical years 7*7 = 49 years to payoff sabbaths, and liberation and debt paid on the 50th year

  So why can't the Chronicler at 2 Chronicles 36:21 Imply this as follows:..... ..

  21 to fulfil the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah, (Jeremiah 25:12....70 years for Babylon rule) until the land had enjoyed its sabbaths.(7x7 = 49 years, jubilee on the 50th year) All the days that it lay desolate it kept sabbath, to fulfil seventy years.(for Babylon). ???????

  587/6 - 537/6 = 50 years...land laying waste ...fall of Jerusalem to Exiles coming back Matthew 1, Ezra 2...under Zerrubabel!

  607/606 Babylon rise to power to 537/536...Rise of Persian power. ...Jeremiah 25:12...70 years of Babylon's power..
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  The Beast-Tower Library Index--Now Available on JWN

  by sd-7 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  recognizing the spiritual needs of many, and the influx of newly interested ones, the beast-tower writing committee has compiled a thorough list of the articles published by the 'discreet virgin class', for the upbuilding of honesthearted ones.

  no doubt you will appreciate the many changes that have been made in our articles over the years, and thus have your faith strengthened that those whom jehovah has appointed are carrying out their god-given responsibilities thoroughly.

  we encourage you to read and meditate on these articles, and in doing so, we pray that your relationship with jehovah will surely be renewed from day to day.. your brother,.

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  Pterist

  ****If I am compromised, of course, there's always the cyanide (disassociation) pill. In the meantime, I hope to find some support and comfort here in this impossible era. *****

  lMAO

  Please don't take the pill, you are very creative and this forum would be lost without people like you.

  Shalom !
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  The Beast-Tower Library Index--Now Available on JWN

  by sd-7 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  recognizing the spiritual needs of many, and the influx of newly interested ones, the beast-tower writing committee has compiled a thorough list of the articles published by the 'discreet virgin class', for the upbuilding of honesthearted ones.

  no doubt you will appreciate the many changes that have been made in our articles over the years, and thus have your faith strengthened that those whom jehovah has appointed are carrying out their god-given responsibilities thoroughly.

  we encourage you to read and meditate on these articles, and in doing so, we pray that your relationship with jehovah will surely be renewed from day to day.. your brother,.

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  TTATT Billboards?

  by Emery in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  has anyone ever thought about paying for a billboard close to either an assembly hall or a kingdom hall during memorial season?

  for instance i would probably pay for a billboard for a week or 2 displaying jwfacts.com on the highway or a nearby road that witnesses travel on heavily.

  has anyone ever tried something like this?.

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  Pterist

  Great idea Emery, I will check it out here locally also ! :)
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  Feddy Franz Gives Us A Talk On Many Wrong Expectations And Understandings Of The Watchtower Corporation

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i think freddy in this talk shows how delusional he is and was.

  to know all this stuff and still feel that the organization has the truth gives truth a new meaning.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmkdwk5svxm.

  may your faith be strengthed in god's earthly organization right up to the final end!.

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  Pterist

  TA !
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  The perplexing conundrum 607 b.c.e condensed down to ONE SIMPLE FACT

  by Brother of the Hawk in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was encouraged to post this thought, so here it is.. i recently finished reading "the gentile times reconsidered" by bro.

  carl olof jonsson, ( third edition).

  phew!!

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  Pterist

  Lars *** The 70-year period of exile began with the last deportastion (year 23 of Neb2) and ended in the 1st of Cyrus -- per the Bible.****

  Before Jerusalem's destruction, Jeremiah sent the following letter to the exiles, consistant with Marthew 1, and Ezra 2..."Jechonian and his group."

  Jeremiah 29

  A Letter to the Exiles

  29 This is the text of the letter that the prophet Jeremiah sent from Jerusalem to the surviving elders among the exiles and to the priests, the prophets and all the other people Nebuchadnezzar had carried into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon. 2 (This was after King Jehoiachin [a] and the queen mother, the court officials and the leaders of Judah and Jerusalem, the skilled workers and the artisans had gone into exile from Jerusalem.) 3 He entrusted the letter to Elasah son of Shaphan and to Gemariah son of Hilkiah, whom Zedekiah king of Judah sent to King Nebuchadnezzar in Babylon. ".................

  ----10 This is what the Lord says: “When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will come to you and fulfill my good promise to bring you back to this place. Matthew1, Ezra 2

  Lars it shows clearly here in the Bible that it is the exiles that were taken with Jechoniah that were told in a letter approx. 10 years BEFORE the destruction of Jerusalem that they personally would be in exile during the 70 years of Babylonian rule...These were the exiled group that came back with Zerrubabel as shown in Ezra 2, when Babylon lost power to Cyrus the Persian and Darius the Mede came to power.

  Please show me EXACT scriptures that show the exiles that you are talking about, i.e. """" last deportastion (year 23 of Neb2)"""" because when this letter was written they were NOT in exile, show scriptures like I have done, if you want to claim Biblical authority and NOT secular (Josephus).
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  The perplexing conundrum 607 b.c.e condensed down to ONE SIMPLE FACT

  by Brother of the Hawk in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was encouraged to post this thought, so here it is.. i recently finished reading "the gentile times reconsidered" by bro.

  carl olof jonsson, ( third edition).

  phew!!

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  Pterist

  Lars is the Bible wrong when it says the exile started with king Jechoniah and ended as exiles started to come back with (king) Zerrubabe (his grandson) ? Matthew 1/Ezra2