hey guys!
here's what i found to be the best way (for me at least) to debate jw's without earning the laber of apostate.
this is mostly valid when debating jw's that don't know you personally, but it could help with those that do too.
Start every sentence with either ...
C.T. Russell said,
Then you'll get labeled a Russellite Though that may not be a bad angle for JWs who don't know you (if you don't mind fibbing): "I'm a Bible Student and here are the problems I have with your beliefs."
i took a hiatus from jwn because the wall started to collapse because i lost several people ive known almost my entire life.
these were people i thought would never die, the lies told by the watchtower is unforgivable!
there was a party i attended keeping a low profile while documenting what was said.
Oops, I meant "Personally I don't ascribe".
earlier this year, i received an email from a jw family member with a link to this video:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1ruhkgqjug.
i wrote a long reply debunking the video (mostly copying talkorigins info).
I read your wall of text, you magnificent bastard! Ahem, anyway, not that you need help in responding to this video, if you choose to do so, but here's a thread I started recently on Genesis 1:1 which debunks the idea that it is a creation of time and space from nothing: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/288832/1/Society-claims-Bible-creation-account-is-unlike-pagan-myths-clearly-doesnt-read-any-scholarly-work. Needless to say, the author of the video is applying a modern-day interpretation to the verse instead of actually looking at the context and the beliefs of men at the time it was written.
By the way, I burst out laughing at 3:28 when I saw only six metals listed on-screen. Also, when he starts focusing on how there are precisely seven words in 1:1 in Hebrew... is he not aware that the verse numbers were inserted by a Frenchman in the 1500s? That being said, some of the features of the verse that he points out may be intentional, due to the fixation the Jewish writers had on the number 7 and a desire to write something poetic. To assert as he does at 7:24 that they could not have been placed there by the author is simply ridiculous, as the Jews invented bloody gematria in the first place.
found this on a jw group on facebook.. .
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Tons of people issue takedown notices like this every day on YouTube, many just because the video is criticizing them. But complaining about free speech is a red herring if copyrighted material was actually being used in the video. Anyone who chooses to do this has to know that a takedown notice is possible.
i took a hiatus from jwn because the wall started to collapse because i lost several people ive known almost my entire life.
these were people i thought would never die, the lies told by the watchtower is unforgivable!
there was a party i attended keeping a low profile while documenting what was said.
As a non-jw - I absolutely agree with you. An educated non-JW can say much more than an ex-JW or JW who is in. I'm working on that....
I've now got non-JWs approaching me who ask me to talk to their JW friends, neighbors and relatives. I may be too kind to do heavy handed cult extrication but just praying that one day the seeds grow.
I think DATA-DOG was saying that the best approach is to educate non-JWs before they can be approached by JWs and become interested in the religion. Personally I don't acribe much likelihood of success to trying to "de-convert" existing JWs. It's more important to make sure that non-JWs know the aspects of the organization that are usually not told to Bible students before they commit to the religion.
after trying to find the picture that blondie posted on the "whose kh has the blue square jw.org on it?
" i noticed this under every jw related pin:.
jw.org has the bible bible based study aids to read, watch, listen download in 300+ (sign included) languages.
I don't know what the limitations on pinterest ads are - sometimes you try and cram in copy to get the gist of what you want to say in scannable form so I wouldn't read too much into the correctness of the english.
Let's look at the wording again:
JW.org has the Bible and bible based study aids to read, watch, listen and download in 300+ (sign included) languages. They also offer free in home bible studies. All at no charge.
The application of the first sentence's verbs to both "Bible" and "bible based" leads to the incorrect statement that the Bible is available to "read, watch or listen to" in many languages including "sign". The second and third instances of "Bible" are not capitalized. "Bible-based" is not hyphenated. There's no "to" after "listen". "Sign" is not a specific language (especially when not capitalized), and its parenthetical location in the sentence is dubiously grammatical. "In-home" is not hyphenated. The last sentence is a sentence fragment.
Are you really telling me you think someone at the Society wrote that?
after trying to find the picture that blondie posted on the "whose kh has the blue square jw.org on it?
" i noticed this under every jw related pin:.
jw.org has the bible bible based study aids to read, watch, listen download in 300+ (sign included) languages.
Then you must have copied a different one from the ones I saw when I visited that page, because as you can see from my copy-pasted quote, your version omits the "and" between "Bible" and "bible" and the "and" between "listen" and "download".
after trying to find the picture that blondie posted on the "whose kh has the blue square jw.org on it?
" i noticed this under every jw related pin:.
jw.org has the bible bible based study aids to read, watch, listen download in 300+ (sign included) languages.
I don't know much about Pinterest, but I'm pretty confident that the Society didn't write that text. Even besides the typos you made in transcribing it (you could have just copy-pasted, you know), the original text is not well-written at all. And the Society isn't going to use heart characters in their ad copy.
♥•.¸¸.•♥ JW.org has the Bible and bible based study aids to read, watch, listen and download in 300+ (sign included) languages. They also offer free in home bible studies. All at no charge.
i have been looking and finally saw the logo on the kh sign............. .
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Yes, we have "blue square on brick" at my Hall too.
we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?
i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.
i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .
I've doubted Rutherford's sincerity too at times, but let me put this out there: if he didn't believe in the teachings, then why did he make his 1925 prediction, the one that ended up making him look like "an ass"? Sure, it got him some press at the time, but he would have had to be pretty stupid to think it was going to pay off long-term. And indeed, according to what I've read here, he lost around 75% of the Bible Students over that failed prophecy.
