Posts by Apognophos

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Misquotes, Lies and deception in Watchtower Publications

by jwfacts in

i have just finished an article misquotes, deception and lies and would like your comments, proof reading, and any other examples that you think are important to add.

most of these already appear on jwfacts.com within specific articles, but it is more powerful seeing them included together.

there have also been a number of requests over the years for such a collection.

Apognophos

"later it will be discussed how Hitchings is presented as a scientist" -- Hitching

"Rutherford introduced that Jesus did not die on a cross" -- maybe "introduced the idea in Watchtower literature that"?

The mention of tacking is brief and will confuse many modern Witnesses, because tacking as an explanation has not been used for a long time. You might want to expand on that.

The heading for the section "Misquote Scriptures" should probably be "Misquoted Scriptures".

"unless they dishonestly adding a full stop" -- add

Sorry, but when someone asks me to proofread, it triggers my OCD. I know this is a lot of nitpicky feedback :)

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Misquotes, Lies and deception in Watchtower Publications

by jwfacts in

i have just finished an article misquotes, deception and lies and would like your comments, proof reading, and any other examples that you think are important to add.

most of these already appear on jwfacts.com within specific articles, but it is more powerful seeing them included together.

there have also been a number of requests over the years for such a collection.

Apognophos

"dishonesty amongst Watchtower literacy" -- you probably mean "literature"?

But they do give us an elemental trinitarianism, the data from which such a formal doctrine of the Triune God may be formulated."

I think this whole statement should be bold because all of it was omitted from the WT.

"The great African fashioned the Latin language of the Trinity, and many of his words and phrases remained permanently in use: the words Trinitas and persona, the formulas 'one substance in three persons,' 'God from God, light from Light.' He uses the word substantia 400 times, as he uses consubstantialis and consubstantivus, but hasty conclusions cannot be drawn from usage, for he does not apply the words to Trinitarian theology"

The use of bold is confusing to the eye here, as all but the last half of the last sentence were omitted by WT, but then you emboldened the last phrase, which was in the WT. I guess I would recommend putting everything before "but hasty conclusions" in bold.

"The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the OT. In many places of the OT however, expressions are used in which some of the Fathers of the Church saw references or foreshadowings of the Trinity."

Likewise here I think you should embolden everything after the first sentence to help the reader's eye latch onto what is not found in the WT quote.

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Misquotes, Lies and deception in Watchtower Publications

by jwfacts in

i have just finished an article misquotes, deception and lies and would like your comments, proof reading, and any other examples that you think are important to add.

most of these already appear on jwfacts.com within specific articles, but it is more powerful seeing them included together.

there have also been a number of requests over the years for such a collection.

Apognophos

Just a tiny thing, but can you put a date on the quote from Studies In the Scriptures - The Day of Vengeance about 1914?

Also, getting the actual 605 quote from Assyrian and Babylonian Chronicles would be great, to hammer the point home. Likewise, having a scan of the quote from De Cruce Liber Tres about "the Lord's cross" would be great.

"(deligati adpalum)" -- you missed a space after "ad"

Anyway, this page is great, and a worthy addition to the site that helped me understand the truth about the truth. Thanks for the hard work!

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I've Come To Realize That "Facts" Don't Mean Much If A Person Refuses To Accept Them

by minimus in

jw
friends

...and that applies to religion as well as politics.. if someone simply believes such and such is true, it doesn't really matter whether you "prove" it or not.

people will believe what they want to believe..

Apognophos

If only life were that simple! But my point was about accepting the nature of a community and not requiring other people to use our definitions of words.

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I've Come To Realize That "Facts" Don't Mean Much If A Person Refuses To Accept Them

by minimus in

jw
friends

...and that applies to religion as well as politics.. if someone simply believes such and such is true, it doesn't really matter whether you "prove" it or not.

people will believe what they want to believe..

Apognophos

But IMHO one's life is most productive if it is lived with the acceptance of unassailable facts, once learned.

Yes, and hopefully we'll move beyond a few of the reasons for human conflict too if more people accept this way of thinking. Certainly not all of them.

But at the same time, one lesson I learned from being a Witness is that I should never be arrogantly confident that now I have the truth, that now I know all the facts. It was a very humbling experience to learn how ignorant I truly was, and that I had allowed others to tell me what the facts were.

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I've Come To Realize That "Facts" Don't Mean Much If A Person Refuses To Accept Them

by minimus in

jw
friends

...and that applies to religion as well as politics.. if someone simply believes such and such is true, it doesn't really matter whether you "prove" it or not.

people will believe what they want to believe..

Apognophos

I don't have my own definition of the word "fact" and neither does anyone else.

Everybody has their own definition of every word, though. Whether your definition matches the one found in the dictionary or not, and whether you're right or not, isn't the point I'm making. For some people, the facts of their life outweight the facts of science. For thousands of years, there was no science; only personal experience. Man got by in the world according to that experience. So to expect everyone living today to re-define "fact" to mean something abstract like 'objectively verifiable tenets, propositions or statements that are internally inconsistent' is not reasonable in light of the fact that we're all just hairless apes trying to make sense of the world around us.

extending an olive branch doesn't mean acceptance of beliefs or agreement that something is what it isn't

Of course not. It also doesn't require others to agree with your definition of "fact". An olive branch is simply an agreement to disagree and an affirmation of mutual respect, two concepts which I have not seen you demonstrate an understanding of.

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I've Come To Realize That "Facts" Don't Mean Much If A Person Refuses To Accept Them

by minimus in

jw
friends

...and that applies to religion as well as politics.. if someone simply believes such and such is true, it doesn't really matter whether you "prove" it or not.

people will believe what they want to believe..

Apognophos

Okay, just checking :-) Because of course, everyone believes that they live by facts, but different people define "facts" differently. To you or me, facts are scientifically verified. For some people, personal experience (or vision/hallucination) is fact, and overrides science when the two come into conflict. This is at the core of minimus' observation. So when you made 'acceptance of fact' a condition on your olive branch, it was clear to those like AGuest that you meant your own definition of "fact", not theirs. Hence the accusation of your peace offering being false. Thus, the offer was doomed as soon as it was made!

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I've Come To Realize That "Facts" Don't Mean Much If A Person Refuses To Accept Them

by minimus in

jw
friends

...and that applies to religion as well as politics.. if someone simply believes such and such is true, it doesn't really matter whether you "prove" it or not.

people will believe what they want to believe..

Apognophos

EP, I actually thought you were trolling with that thread. Were you really sincere about that, and yet you agree with minimus' assertion in this thread?

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Complaints About My False Eyelashes at the Hall. WEARING THEM EVEN BIGGER TONIGHT.

by OneStepOut93 in

okay so i like dramatic lashes.

and my grandma told me all the women are complaining about them being a distraction.

well all i have to say to them is "kiss my ass".

Apognophos

Wow, blondie, that guy was a real Nazi. And I wasn't intending to question your story, sorry if it sounded that way.

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Complaints About My False Eyelashes at the Hall. WEARING THEM EVEN BIGGER TONIGHT.

by OneStepOut93 in

okay so i like dramatic lashes.

and my grandma told me all the women are complaining about them being a distraction.

well all i have to say to them is "kiss my ass".

Apognophos

Wow, blondie, that PO was straight out of the Taliban... that's well beyond anything I've heard myself, and I've sat through my fair share of those talks (then again, we brothers love those parts because we never have to pay attention ;).