Apognophos

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  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

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  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

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  Seriously, what definition of "complex" or "complexity" are you using?

  Physical complexity. The arrangement of molecules in the computer or the brain. The amount of information a network contains is constant if all nodes in that network have a value regardless of whether those values have meaning to a human or other intelligence.

  You keep bringing up "interaction". If it's essential for you to know where the interaction is, it's between the molecules making up a compound and between the atoms making up the molecules, and between the sub-atomic particles making up the atoms. Those interactions will of course change when data passes through them, but the number of interactions between particles, the complexity, is not increasing. In order for this to be the case, the network would have to develop new nodes.
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  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

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  2. beliefs

  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

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  Apognophos

  It's not absurd. It's merely counter-intuitive . . . just like every other part of quantum mechanics.

  I don't mean "absurd" in a way that deprecates the concept. I know that our intuition is suited for the environment we evolved in and it can't be expected to hold true for all environments. I just mean "absurd" in that, as you said, it's counter-intuitive and does not seem satisfying.

  And it certainly doesn't give you license to put forth the arguement, "well this one aspect of reality seems absurd to me - so I can postulate whatever absurd thing I like."

  I think you misunderstood me. I was intending to say that I do not believe there is yet enough evidence that the universe developed that way, without the prompting of a creator, and not enough knowledge to judge the likelihood of a creator existing outside this universe. I do not assert that a creator is equally likely, but only that we can't judge the relative likelihood, thus I stated that we might as well call it 50/50. This was not intended as a serious estimation of chance, as I thought I made clear at the time.

  Starting out with an all powerful creator is NOT the same as a finite intelligence that has slowly formed over billions of years of evolution. Human intelligence has come about by a naturalistic process.

  I never said that a creator formed instantly or that he didn't evolve.

  There is no such method for Gods to come into existence.

  Now who's postulating?
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  I'm sitting here listening to a JW try to recruit somebody

  by Terry in

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  i'm at starbucks .

  just outside in the courtyard.. i'm trembling.

  my hands are shaking.. wow!.

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  I think you're doing a great job giving him information but not too much guidance, Terry. It's true that at 19 he probably still has to develop more independent-mindedness. But think of your own guidance as merely offsetting all the undue influence that the other adults in his life are having -- in his family, at the Hall, etc. Balancing that out a bit is totally warranted. Most of us born-ins never had an opportunity like that, to hear a dissenting, informed viewpoint, while growing up, so we bought into what all the adults in our life were telling us.
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  Psychological Effects of Color

  by RedPillPopper in

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  for item #1 check out the color for trust.

  totally ironic and you know the borg chose this on purpose.. .

  http://goweloveit.info/entertainment/these-8-psychological-facts-will-help-you-understand-a-lot-more-about-life-5-is-a-game-changer/?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral.

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  Well, I don't disagree that blue can be a calming color or that it might promote trust in some circumstances. It's heavily used in computer applications, perhaps to keep frustrated users from losing their temper
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  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

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  Apognophos

  I'm very curious what definition of complexity you are using.

  Physical complexity. The molecular make-up of the hard drive. You cannot be seriously suggesting that material is being added to a hard drive when it "fills up" with data. It's just magnetic bits being flipped. Likewise, the circuits in the computer are either powered or unpowered, but are equally complex either way.
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  Psychological Effects of Color

  by RedPillPopper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for item #1 check out the color for trust.

  totally ironic and you know the borg chose this on purpose.. .

  http://goweloveit.info/entertainment/these-8-psychological-facts-will-help-you-understand-a-lot-more-about-life-5-is-a-game-changer/?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral.

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  Apognophos

  I didn't read the article, only looked at the color chart, but... it's not very good.
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  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

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  Apognophos

  There is no definition of complexity that would even suggest...

  Physical complexity. Not informational complexity. The whole reason I brought up CPUs (which Caedes then changed to the subject of hard drives for some reason) was as an analogy to the human brain. Neither a computer or a brain is more complex physically when processing information than when it is not.
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  Another subliminal picture in the WT!!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

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  2. bible

  i just happend to wonder if the current issue had any hidden goodies.

  imagine my delight!.

  a gold star to the first person to correctly identify the image!.

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  Apognophos

  For any believing Witnesses who are reading this, please don't think that this thread is representative of the entire ex-JW community. Please.
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  Not on JW.org: Just another day in paradise..Jehovah's Witnesses pedophile paradise. Another JW Servant rapes child and Elders do cover-up in California.

  by Balaamsass2 in

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  southern california:.

  monday pervy monday: ex-teacher's aide, butt slapping, tbn, mormons, jehovah witnesses.

  by matt coker mon., nov. 24 2014 at 6:02 am 3 comments categories: court, crime-iny, gimme that oc religion, long beach, school daze .

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  Apognophos

  That Mormon guy looks totally insane in both the "before" and "after" pictures. His eyes are following me as I scroll down the page.
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  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

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  Apognophos

  Caedes: I mourn for your reading comprehension. I'm done repeating myself.