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  Scripturally, JW-system is synonymous with sin

  by abiather in

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  loving ones neighbor (whether he is a believer or not) is the kingly law.

  (mathew 5:44-48; james 2:8) it is the kingly law, because it originates from king of all kings; and all other laws originate from this law.

  hence violation of this law is the greatest sin, or mother of all sins; because it is against king of all kings and king of all laws.. jw-system is a flagrant violation of this law on two counts:.

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  According to Paul we die because of sin and because the law made clear we always lack in goodness and are sinners by nature. So sins only can occur when there are "laws" ... the punishment for being a sinner is death according to scripture? Problem with that theory is that in order for someone or something to die there needs to be a law and without a law noone would die. So animals who live without a law could never sin and therefore could never die according to theology.

  Problem is: that law that paul was referring to was written 600 before christ... long AFTER all the incidents that were written in the tora and/or bible. Backward compatibility you might say :P

  So... people who died before could never have died for sins... since there was no law! Sodom? Gemorra? Homesexual deeds and lawlessness was there but there was no written law! How could these people be punished if there was no law to convict them? You see the problems with the sin theory?
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  Scripturally, JW-system is synonymous with sin

  by abiather in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  loving ones neighbor (whether he is a believer or not) is the kingly law.

  (mathew 5:44-48; james 2:8) it is the kingly law, because it originates from king of all kings; and all other laws originate from this law.

  hence violation of this law is the greatest sin, or mother of all sins; because it is against king of all kings and king of all laws.. jw-system is a flagrant violation of this law on two counts:.

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  Have you ever considered that there actually may not be something as "sin"?
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  Let's Talk About Sex

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a old thread was bumped recently in which posters from 9 years ago raised objections to evolution basesd on personal incredulity regarding sexual reproduction.. i remember an elder in one of my old congregations saying something to the effect that "how could evolution be true, if men evolved before women...blah blah" you get the picture.. i have refreshed my memory of a chapter in nick lane's excellent book "life arising - the ten greatest inventions of evolution" and put together a summary.

  it would be great if others would add to it - cantleave, adam, tiktaalik, s&r, bohm et al?.

  here is my starter focusing on the problem with non-sexual selection.... if the driving force in evolution is the struggle of selfish genes to pass on copies of themselves to future generations, then sex seems counter-productive.

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  I rather see Booby pics then mating Bonobo pics :P
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  Let's Talk About Sex

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a old thread was bumped recently in which posters from 9 years ago raised objections to evolution basesd on personal incredulity regarding sexual reproduction.. i remember an elder in one of my old congregations saying something to the effect that "how could evolution be true, if men evolved before women...blah blah" you get the picture.. i have refreshed my memory of a chapter in nick lane's excellent book "life arising - the ten greatest inventions of evolution" and put together a summary.

  it would be great if others would add to it - cantleave, adam, tiktaalik, s&r, bohm et al?.

  here is my starter focusing on the problem with non-sexual selection.... if the driving force in evolution is the struggle of selfish genes to pass on copies of themselves to future generations, then sex seems counter-productive.

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  Guys and Gals... you all deserve a medal!

  This is probably the most boring topic about sex EVER :D
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  BOE - CONVENTION 2014

  by WatchTower87 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  re: convention service meeting part for week of january 6, 2014. .

  http://adf.ly/ayq16.

  instruction: press the 'skip ad' button top right, you should then see the download screen more easily.

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  It always smelled fishy to me... all these hotels with good prices... and they putted the list on the memoboard in the past! But woe and behold when you want to put a weddingcard on it ;)
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  Ever read back your own posts and thinking WTF?

  by DeWandelaar in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as time goes forward people tend to change... expecially if you get out of a cult.

  your brain for some reason gets de- and reprogrammed and you get other insights and new opinions.

  you become a other human.. when reading back some of my previous posts (of about a year ago) i could not help but have a wtf-moment... i even felt a sudden way of "shame" of all the bullshit i was writing.. if you want to read some of mine just check my posts of about a year back.

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  " please say something... this was hard for me to write!!!" ... I see what you mean, dear :D ... how are you feeling now?
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  Ever read back your own posts and thinking WTF?

  by DeWandelaar in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as time goes forward people tend to change... expecially if you get out of a cult.

  your brain for some reason gets de- and reprogrammed and you get other insights and new opinions.

  you become a other human.. when reading back some of my previous posts (of about a year ago) i could not help but have a wtf-moment... i even felt a sudden way of "shame" of all the bullshit i was writing.. if you want to read some of mine just check my posts of about a year back.

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  One of the members of this board was on a pro-jw board just like me and even then we had some serious discussions (but in a JW-positive way). He had kept the mail and bumped into it ... it was actually very strange to read it back and sent it to me too hahaha :D
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  Ever read back your own posts and thinking WTF?

  by DeWandelaar in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as time goes forward people tend to change... expecially if you get out of a cult.

  your brain for some reason gets de- and reprogrammed and you get other insights and new opinions.

  you become a other human.. when reading back some of my previous posts (of about a year ago) i could not help but have a wtf-moment... i even felt a sudden way of "shame" of all the bullshit i was writing.. if you want to read some of mine just check my posts of about a year back.

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  DeWandelaar

  As time goes forward people tend to change... expecially if you get out of a cult. Your brain for some reason gets de- and reprogrammed and you get other insights and new opinions. You become a other human.

  When reading back some of my previous posts (of about a year ago) I could not help but have a WTF-moment... I even felt a sudden way of "shame" of all the bullshit I was writing.

  If you want to read some of mine just check my posts of about a year back. So... did anyone of you had the same experience and if so... can you write it down here?
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  Did you ever have a supernatural experience?

  by XPeterX in

  1. jw
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  ok i know some of you are going to mock me but i don't give a shit and you'd better get dafaq outta this thread if you don't beleive in this stuff.. .

  so,you ever seen somethin strange?shadow people?felt cold spots?touched by something you can't see?beaten by an unseen force?heard voices/whispers/growls/screams etc?are you sure about it or was it just your imagination?you ever been into the occult?c'mon share your experiences and stories!personally i've never had an encounter with the other side..

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  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_phenomenon
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  Did you ever have a supernatural experience?

  by XPeterX in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok i know some of you are going to mock me but i don't give a shit and you'd better get dafaq outta this thread if you don't beleive in this stuff.. .

  so,you ever seen somethin strange?shadow people?felt cold spots?touched by something you can't see?beaten by an unseen force?heard voices/whispers/growls/screams etc?are you sure about it or was it just your imagination?you ever been into the occult?c'mon share your experiences and stories!personally i've never had an encounter with the other side..

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  DeWandelaar

  I think it is just a label for something we do not understand :P ... In the time of Jesus there were people with sudden "demonic" experiences but nowadays we have proper labels for these deseases. Once I saw a documentary on television about a girl who got mentally ill and saw snakes near the television while in fact it were cables. She heard voices in her mind but she was a schizofrenic. So... were these people possesed? Or were they ill? I think it is the latter one.