please help me out here .. in genesis 2:16 it says " and jehovah god also laid this command upon the man: from every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.
17 but as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it , for in the day you eat from it ,you will positively die.. ok we get that , but what about this ?.
wouldnt it make more sense to forbid the eating of the tree of life first ?
Most funny thing is that the "tree" story originated from babylon and was later on added by the Jews. So where everyone seems to believe it was the babylonians taking the flood/tree/women/serpent account it was actually the other way around (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgamesh_epic).
Together with all kind of goofy crap that went into the bible (the golden Calf (El worshippers)), Asherah and the Copper Serpent it is actually a very good fantasy book!
thought some might find this interesting... .
where do you get your morality from?
don't assume that atheists don't have morals.
@abiather... you do not really understand what I mean do you? First of all I say I am no atheist... but I am not a theist either (I do not believe that this higher power is controlling the events... that is a human teaching and based on old books from some horny shepherds in the desert).
You are calling him a father and us his childs... well... I do not like to be a father who lets his kids riddle their way in life all the time without any clarification. Therefore the onus INDEED lies with him. A father is bigger then a child isn't he? An adult can be taken into full account what he has done or not done... A child can't in the same degree.
I do not understand how any theist even conscider himself a child to someone who doesn't show himself... the "love" they feel is simply an emotion that is not coming because of a outside factor but more of wishfull thinking of the person himself. It is the same for a kid which father has suddenly left their lives and the kids are pampering a warm feeling for the father and while thinking of him get warm emotions (although they got betrayed by him).
It is therefore that I can not be accounted for anything since there is nothing in MY time that has convinced me of his existence and his real wishes with me as a "son". If he did I would follow him straight away.... and "HE" if he WAS omnitopent would have known that. ;)
thought some might find this interesting... .
where do you get your morality from?
don't assume that atheists don't have morals.
Although I am not an atheist (no theist either) I must say that what is stated above is true and are very wise words.
The "what if you are wrong" question which is asked quite frequently by believers is actually quite easy to anwer: If I am wrong then God has not done enough to prove me otherwise.
there were 3 good arguments that jesus was black:.
1. he called everyone brother.
2. he liked gospel.
hahahaha :D
i just finished a 2,500 mile trip.. something i regularly do is to pray for each and every church that i pass on such trips.
if god in his providence has me passing a church, then surely it is important to pray for that congregation.. .
the next time you pass a church, if this practice comes to mind, lift them up before the throne.
lol at outlaw! hahahaha
it even has what looks like blood flowing from a palm wound.
article.
world-renowned astrophysicist robert jastrow, founding director of nasas goddard institute for space studies, explains the fear of faith many of todays scientists experience.. there is a kind of religion in science, it is the religion of a person who believes there is order and harmony in the universe, and every effect must have its cause; [but] there is no first cause.
Lollllll!!!!
it even has what looks like blood flowing from a palm wound.
article.
world-renowned astrophysicist robert jastrow, founding director of nasas goddard institute for space studies, explains the fear of faith many of todays scientists experience.. there is a kind of religion in science, it is the religion of a person who believes there is order and harmony in the universe, and every effect must have its cause; [but] there is no first cause.
Not true DeWanderlaar..... just another Watchtower lie from the pits of hell. We are different than the animals. We alone were made in the image of an eternal God. Our soul is eternal and will exist in one state or another for eternity. To be separated from God is to be separated from every conceivable notion of good and love, since God is good and is Love.
WTS does not teach we are not different so that statement is not true. The image and eternal part of your reason is based on a book that is written by other men (bible, koran etc). These things are not proof and no claim that you make can be backed up from our part of the spectrum.
Also... I was talking about theism... I do not deny that there probably is a God... I am just saying that if he is there he does not have part on anything that is happening or will not prevent things to happen to us. If we look from a universal point of view it does not matter that humans are being annihilated and the planet is being destroyed. We (earth) are just one tiny spot in a very big universe... do you really think that of ALL these small little marbles in that very very very big universe this earth gets all the attention and especially the even smaller inhabitants? The idea is stupendous and outragious if you come to think of it...
i used to have a webpage saved and i have lost it.
a young man and his wife had faded.
they had a birthday party for their child and were called before a judicial committee.
I think you should not need to bring a lawsuit to the watchtower itself but to the elders. Something like: "if you ever mention my name from the platform and tell people I am disfellowshipped I will hunt your asses with lawsuits. I know all of you personally, I know where you guys live and I take this as a personal attack."
I know that a lot of elders do not care that much anyways... it is much easier for them to let someone suddenly leave the organisation and never showing their faces again they will do no harm (like it is the case with me).
it even has what looks like blood flowing from a palm wound.
article.
world-renowned astrophysicist robert jastrow, founding director of nasas goddard institute for space studies, explains the fear of faith many of todays scientists experience.. there is a kind of religion in science, it is the religion of a person who believes there is order and harmony in the universe, and every effect must have its cause; [but] there is no first cause.
Who says that if a God exists he is looking after such small little creatures like us? That is a vision people have. That is what theists think: since there MUST be a creator (we can not give proof he does or does not exist so it is still an assumption) he MUST have had a cause for us... a purpose. Who says we ever had a purpose? Simply because we are looking for a purpose it should be so?
What do we "add" to anything? To the "universe" or to the smalles atomical levels? We add nothing special. We are just a species... dominant yes (unless you live in india and got your ass killed by a hungry tiger...).
And yes... there is structure... but there is also chaos... and chaos is also part of a "structure". Does it mean that a God would even likes to be busy with such small things that are keeping us busy? That he really cares what kind of people are getting which part of a land? We are actually not much different from all other species: we want a place to live and have a terratorium and want to defend and/or expand. We have "leaders" but so do other species. And yes... we talk... more intelligent then others and we have the ability to reason. But who says some other creatures can't reason? I mean: noone ever invented a computer which can actually translate the "language" of other species.
We think we know everything and can figure it all out... how far can we actually be from the painfull truth: we are just species... we live... we sleep, eat, drink, have sex and after a period of time we die. Game over...
i noticed in the bible reading in titus this week that that they changed one instance of christ jesus to jesus christ.
it made me wonder why it was done and what benefit it could have in their doctrines..
There were around 30-40 gospels... 4 made it into a book... the others were conscidered bullshit and too bizarre it could never ever be true... why did the other 4 (of which 2 are mostly identical) conscidered true? ...
