Will,
Great post!
Out of curiosity, has anyone ever scientifically proven the existence of love? Perhaps it does not exist.
sunstarr
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What is God?
by mindfield ini have yet to find a personal set of beliefs that will satisfy my mind, but one thing i am starting to get sure of is that there exists no "christian" god.
the reasons for that belief aren't many, but proof that god exists isn't that plentiful either.
i use the bible as proof god doesn't exist as it depicts it... others use it to prove he does, in fact, exist.
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A Man's Dictionary ;-)
by ladonna inthe man dictionary.
"it's a guy thing" .
translated: "there is no rational thought pattern connected .
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sunstarr
"UH HUH," "SURE, HONEY," OR "YES, DEAR"
Translated: Absolutely nothing. It's a conditioned response.Uh huh...sure.
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The JW's should start using Gods name
by libra_spirit inallah!.
they need to put that in thier new world translation!.
and stick it up thier.....whoops!
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sunstarr
nytele,
You can count at least a half hour on your service record for that post!
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Ebonics Homework
by Tatiana inapologies to any tyson fans, but this was too funny!.
as part of his parole agreement, mike tyson has to go back to school .
and finish grade 5. this is mike's ebonics homework assignment.
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sunstarr
I am an African American. I do not talk that way and I resent your "joke." Racial jokes and streotypes are just plain dumb.
Unless your name is Mike Tyson, that post is really irrelevant.
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'Time' not a constant in the Universe!
by Outaservice inwhen i was a good old jw, going out in service, counting my time, i noticed something strange.. i could drive to one side of the county, make a back-call, and then drive clear through town as slow as i could and then out of town to the other side of the county to make another back-call.
the total time it took to do this was about 6 minutes!.
if i was not out in service and was trying to rush, say to a movie, it took at least 45 minutes to get through town alone!
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sunstarr
Sleepy,
In order to gain back your sanity, you need to go back out in field service and attend meetings.
Sleepy,
Maybe you should start pretending you're a cat and speak of yourself in the 3rd person. Perhaps that would be sane to Fred.
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the ole free the lose minds website is begging
by malcomx insniff sniff donations people we have no money to hold together this site of foolishness all these socalled educated people could u please give money!sniff i though the org was broke but jehovah protects them .
we also need meteor insurance send me some companies thanks free the lose minds.........
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sunstarr
apostates lets check the spelling when the terror is alive from jehovah
Can I use spell check when the terror is alive from Jehovah?
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the ole free the lose minds website is begging
by malcomx insniff sniff donations people we have no money to hold together this site of foolishness all these socalled educated people could u please give money!sniff i though the org was broke but jehovah protects them .
we also need meteor insurance send me some companies thanks free the lose minds.........
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sunstarr
ITS SPELLED GRAMMAR IDIOT.
You had to look it up, didn't you?
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God's image
by Rex B13 inwe are made in god's image and he is a person, not just some invisible, omnipresent force.
here is some more research for those who love to ask questions yet won't do the digging.. the bible consistently portrays god as a passionate individual, whose inner experiences of love, compassion, grief, delight, joy, peace, anguish, and moral outrage at atrocity dwarf ours in the extreme.
the bible makes no apology for this, but rather exults in the living one, in contrast to the dead and lifeless idols that surrounded its writers.. one scholar put it thus:.
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sunstarr
After I left the witnesses I was happy without any religion - I'm happy now.
I'm overjoyed that you've found happiness from such a cruel transition as leaving that organization. My case is similar. I left the Witnesses and decided to never again label myself with another religious title. Although I stay within the Christian realm (which could be considered a label in and of itself), I wish to never fall under such categories as Catholic, Baptist, Protestant, etc... Of course, I'm not suggesting that there's anything wrong with people who do fall under these categories. I simply never want to.
And I find the teachings of zen to be enlightening and peaceful. It is about finding balance in the world, in others and in yourself. It is not a religion, but a way to bring peace and tranquility into your life.
I was taught as a Witness that balance is necessary in most aspects of life. I don't disagree with that now. I think balance is very important. I haven't really studied teachings of zen, so I'm not too familiar with them. I'd say, if it brings you peace, more power to you. That can be a difficult thing to find these days.
I have a question for you. Do you feel that searching is only a means of finding your path, or do you believe that the search is the beginning of your path, and that the search will in some way always continue?
I personally believe that there will always be a search. I have faith in God, yet I am still searching for a better relationship with him and a greater understanding of his will for me. Although I feel I've found my path, I believe my search continues and probably always will. I look forward to your thoughts on this matter.
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God's image
by Rex B13 inwe are made in god's image and he is a person, not just some invisible, omnipresent force.
here is some more research for those who love to ask questions yet won't do the digging.. the bible consistently portrays god as a passionate individual, whose inner experiences of love, compassion, grief, delight, joy, peace, anguish, and moral outrage at atrocity dwarf ours in the extreme.
the bible makes no apology for this, but rather exults in the living one, in contrast to the dead and lifeless idols that surrounded its writers.. one scholar put it thus:.
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sunstarr
sunstarr, you made a good point - the begining of my post was more of a rant than anything else, kind of on topic, but unanswerable notheless. Thank you for keeping me honest.
Anytime. Just make sure to return the favor when I get out of line.
As to my question of the difficulty of faith - I too know many many people who 'claim' to have faith, and yet they lead their lives to the contrary. I also know many people who lead fruitful, content and peaceful lives without the benefit of religious convictions.
Agreed. I too have seen the same. I couldn't go as far as to say that it's impossible to lead a content and peaceful life without faith. I simply suggest that it adds to the quality of life.
I take faith very seriously - it is a relationship between a person and god. Going through the motions and not really believing isn't good enough, you have to believe with everything you are, and I did. Some people are rewarded for their faith, I was punished for mine. I don't blame god for my negative experience with the JWs, but my faith is broken - I can't fix it, I don't know how.
Faith is the hardest thing we can give. Putting everything I have and believe on the chopping block and waiting to see if I chose correctly, what could be harder than that?
I suppose I can somewhat understand what you are saying. I am always hurt when I hear of the difficulties many have faced from leaving the JW's. I know of many myself. It's a horrible thing to be done to a person. So to you, I send my greatest of sympathy. I guess I should rephrase what I said about faith. To me, it is an easy thing to have. I imagine that is because I already hold faith. For someone without, I suppose it could be a very difficult thing to gain. So, I don't disagree with that perspective. I do, however, believe that those searching for faith will be given a measure of help from God to make the journey a little less difficult. But again, it must always be a personal decision to search or not. As I've said many times before, I'll never condemn a person for their decision.
You said you think faith is like an extra sense that allows you to be closer to god. What happens when that sense is covered by experience - my relationship with god has foundered to the point that I don't even know if he exists or not.
I would certainly agree that perspective can be tainted by experience. I feel that faith and experience can go hand-in-hand. Of course, those of us that have left the Witnesses may find it a little more difficult to balance these two. I can most definitely see how it would be hard to have faith in God when your relationship with Him has reached that point. I must say that I am deeply relieved that you don't blame God. It saddens me that you question His existence, but I would never condemn you for that. You must be who you are.
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God's image
by Rex B13 inwe are made in god's image and he is a person, not just some invisible, omnipresent force.
here is some more research for those who love to ask questions yet won't do the digging.. the bible consistently portrays god as a passionate individual, whose inner experiences of love, compassion, grief, delight, joy, peace, anguish, and moral outrage at atrocity dwarf ours in the extreme.
the bible makes no apology for this, but rather exults in the living one, in contrast to the dead and lifeless idols that surrounded its writers.. one scholar put it thus:.
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sunstarr
I'm gonna try to make this as clear as I can:
PUT YOUR ARGUMENT IN THIS THREAD OR LEAVE ME ALONE.
You think you picked it up this time?