Posts by sunstarr

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I know the Bible is True

by SwedishChef in

i know the bible is true because.... * it is infallible.

there is not one contradiction with these pages.

humans are fallible; the bible is not.. * the word of god is the source of true wisdom.

What I said is that Darwin's beliefs concerning creation are irrelevant. We aren't talking about Darwin's beliefs in a Creator. What we are talking about is your beliefs concerning a Creator. I use Darwin's words because many here accept his theories. I don't care if he believed that the "ooze" came from God or not. You, however, clearly believe that it did not come from a Creator. It is to you that I direct my argument. It is not to Darwin. If Charles Darwin made the statement, "I believe in the God of the Bible," would you accept it as fact? Certainly you would not. Therefore, you take his theories and apply them to your already existing disbelief in God. Again, the bottom line is that you will accept his theory about a "primordial form" (whether or not he believed in God) yet laugh at those who believe in angels and demons. It's hypocrisy and it makes me sick.

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I know the Bible is True

by SwedishChef in

i know the bible is true because.... * it is infallible.

there is not one contradiction with these pages.

humans are fallible; the bible is not.. * the word of god is the source of true wisdom.

sunstarr

Where did Darwin indicate that it was impossible that a Creator made the "primordial form"?

What part of "I don't care if Darwin believed in creation or not" don't you understand? I made no assumptions in that direction, and you have shown your inability to read plain language. As usual, this argument has been made into twelve others, which is completely unnecessary. It really boils down to this: You and others will accept that all life grew from some ancient ooze, yet you scoff at the idea of a snake possessed by a spirit.

If you can't understand that Evolution has nothing to do with Atheism (or Abiogenesis), then there is no help for you.

What you cannot understand is that I made no connection between the two. My point centered around accepting something for which there is no solid evidence.

I suppose the fact that many Christians accept Evolution is lost on you. Do you believe they are Atheists as well?

I don't claim that all atheists are evolutionists. Nor do I claim that all evolutionists are atheists. Many here, however, are both. Those are the ones to whom I direct my point. You needn't make this issue any larger than it actually is.

Atheists do not disbelieve in gods because of Evolution.

I never said they did. However, atheists who ascribe to the idea that all life is a victim of circumstance are no less "ignorant" than theists who believe life came from a Creator.

Continue reading your fairy tales about talking snakes and believing they are true.

I'll do that. And you continue reading your science fiction about "primordial forms." I'll watch Planet of the Apes. Much more entertaining.

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I know the Bible is True

by SwedishChef in

i know the bible is true because.... * it is infallible.

there is not one contradiction with these pages.

humans are fallible; the bible is not.. * the word of god is the source of true wisdom.

sunstarr

Rem,

Apparently you are too in love with reading your own words to clearly see what I have written. I don't care if Darwin believed in creation or not. What I do care about is you and the many others like you on this board constantly attacking the validity of the believers' claim that there is a Creator. The fact is, Darwin was suggesting that all organic beings descended from one "primordial form." That was simply stated. Another fact: Many here buy into Darwin's theories. Another fact: Many here who accept Darwin's theories also believe there is no Creator. Ready for the conclusion? It is no less insane to accept the existence of a "primordial form" than it is to accept the existence of God. The issue isn't Darwin's beliefs in creation. The issue is the beliefs of you and others atheists here. Whether Darwin is describing evolution or abiogenesis is irrelevant, as my point has little to do with Darwin, and much to do with you.

The fact that I and others have studied both theology and science does, in fact, qualify us as "more informed" over those who have only studied the former.

Well, I'm certainly convinced. Thank you for that enlightening piece of evidence. Yes, you're right because you say so. Ok. Who said the people I was referring to have not also studied science? You have again assumed too much.

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I know the Bible is True

by SwedishChef in

i know the bible is true because.... * it is infallible.

there is not one contradiction with these pages.

humans are fallible; the bible is not.. * the word of god is the source of true wisdom.

sunstarr

Maybe if you weren't as uninformed as you portray yourself you'd understand that Evolution has nothing to do with any "primordial form".

Maybe if you didn't make assumptions as quickly as you do, you would be able to make appropriate responses. If you will review what I wrote, you will notice that I never used the term "evolution." I quoted Charles Darwin, who clearly has a negative take on the idea of a Creator, and then pointed out the ridiculousness of the idea of a "primordial form" from which all organic beings descended. I don't care what term you use to define it (e.g., evolution, abiogenesis). I simply stated that it was no less ridiculous than the quotes given from the bible.

You'll do well to note that many atheists on this board, including myself, have done extensive research in theology and biblical studies in addition to studying science and logic.

Again, good for you. I certainly never stated that you, or any of the other athiests on this board hadn't studied the bible or theology. However, that doesn't qualify you as "more informed" simply because you've turned your back on it.

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I know the Bible is True

by SwedishChef in

i know the bible is true because.... * it is infallible.

there is not one contradiction with these pages.

humans are fallible; the bible is not.. * the word of god is the source of true wisdom.

sunstarr

Interesting. It sounds like one of the greatest discoveries of science to me. But then again, I've actually done the research to come to such an informed conclusion.

Hey, good for you! There are many of us here who have done extensive research in theology and biblical studies. But I guess that doesn't count. Afterall, there's so much more "proof" of a "primordial form" from which we all spawned than there is "proof" of the existence of the Creator.

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I know the Bible is True

by SwedishChef in

i know the bible is true because.... * it is infallible.

there is not one contradiction with these pages.

humans are fallible; the bible is not.. * the word of god is the source of true wisdom.

sunstarr

Analogy would lead me one step further, namely, to the belief that all animals and plants have descended from some one prototype. But analogy may be a deceitful guide. Nevertheless all living things have much in common, in their chemical composition, their germinal vesicles, their cellular structure, and their laws of growth and reproduction. We see this even in so trifling a circumstance as that the same poison often similarly affects plants and animals; or that the poison secreted by the gall-fly produces monstrous growths on the wild rose or oak-tree. Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed. - Charles Darwin

Sounds like Rod Serling to me. How many absurdities are required to change ones mind?

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I know the Bible is True

by SwedishChef in

i know the bible is true because.... * it is infallible.

there is not one contradiction with these pages.

humans are fallible; the bible is not.. * the word of god is the source of true wisdom.

sunstarr

It attacked my own MOTHER! I never attacked its mother nor any of its relatives. I attacked its arguments and it came back (without addressing a SINGLE argument I made) and attacked my family!

I think this brings up a very good point. No one wants to hear someone whom they hold dear criticized or made fun of. It certainly doesn't feel good to have someone speak in an unkind way toward your mother or father. In fact, it is often very offensive and has undoubtedly been the cause for many disputes. On the other hand, it's perfectly acceptable to criticize one's God whom they hold dearer than anyone else in existence. Perhaps I will create a screen name on this forum entitled "Your Mother" and post comments of how I am such a whore and how you're such a lousy offspring. I would be just as accepted by all as the one who posts under the name "Jesus Christ," wouldn't I?

Prove it. That the Bible is infallible, that is. I can show you several HUNDRED examples where it is not, but since you made the assertion, the burden of proof is upon you.

How exactly can one prove that something has no mistakes? What proof would you like? The burden of proof is not on someone who claims something to be perfect. You cannot prove that something has no mistakes. That is proving a negative. The burden of proof is on the person claiming it, in fact, is in error. It may be the case that one or more of you feel you have sufficiently proven this in the past, and therefore need not prove again. If so, that is hardly relevant. The fact that you respond to this thread demands that you again offer your own evidence. There sure are a lot of people here who like to jump the bandwagon. One person uses the "burden of proof" argument, and suddenly everyone is a scholar on how it's your responsibility to prove. If you have evidence you would like to bring into question, do so. The ball will then be in Chef's court to respond. Until then, he owes nothing to anyone.

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Demon Stories - lets hear them?

by hippikon in

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friends

the more i listen to the religion argument the more atheist i become.

their are still some things that are hard to explain and most simply doesnt need explaining who cares?

just because we dont know the explanation doesnt mean there isnt one!.

sunstarr

I remember hearing a story about a particularly haughty witness who felt untouchable because of being within God's "spiritual paradise." One night, while home with his family, this witness declared aloud that Satan could not harm him or his family. He began taunting Satan, claiming that nothing could befall them because they were God's people. Just then he heard a scream come from his daughter's bedroom upstairs. When he opened the door to his daughter's bedroom, he discovered that her head had been completely twisted around. Thus, a lesson was given to all good witnesses that you shouldn't taunt Satan.

........just then they realized that the killer's phone call was coming from inside the house!!! Oh, wait....that's another story.

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Convention pictures #1

by borgfree in

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i will post some pictures now and more later.

i am waiting for permission to use the group picture of board posters (haven't gotten all yet).

japanese group of ex-jws.

sunstarr

Simon -

The pics are from the Witnesses Now For Jesus Convention that took place last weekend in Pennsylvania.

Al

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Witnesses ForJesus Convention!!!

by mouthy in

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friends

tom!

you were great!!!!!

how lovely it was to see flower, brian,jadin, joy, dr bob( better half also).

sunstarr

Grace:

It was so great to see you again!!! Really missed those hugs from you. Glad you made it home safely. It sure was a great time again this year. Nice to meet everyone from the board that came. Ah, so many friends. Good times!!

Al